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Christian Eriksen

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by spurspinter1, 30 Aug 2013.

  1. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    last season dele was getting it for not improving, harry gets stick every time he comes back from injury and doesn't look sharp and son is imo the usual streaky winger.

    you're right none have been at heir usual best this season and there is lots of reasons for that, and it is and has been discussed thoroughly. except for eriksen, until this month. and when you do its almost like its blasphemy.
    can anyone actually say he isn't in bad form?
    whats the problem with saying it?
    do we hope he signs a new deal and regains his form? of course we do, it shouldn't mean we ca not point out what is bleeding obvious and not counter points from posters that think they are right and everyone else (including title winning managers who actually know and are managing the player) are idiots.
     
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    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Klopps record in the Window at Liverpool is pretty good, verging on very good.

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jurgen-klopp/spielertransfers/trainer/118/plus/0?station_id=120230

    Out of that lot the only player that got any serious time and was a complete disaster was Karius - He has worked with a large number of the squad already there and he has a real mixture of CM midfielders to work with, unlike ours who winks aside are all destroyers.

    Mourinho has bomb out certain players, correct - however at the same time has worked with players like ibrahimovic and that complete oddball Mario - so has shown more flexibility in the character he has managed - He even got a tune out of Ozil.

    As said previously, he has managed not to find a single suitable player in 2 windows - you could argue 3 with the lack of game time Moura has had - that is not a manager that is flexible with players - This is something that has never happened before.
     
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    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Thats not what people are saying, they are quite happy to sell him.

    Given his agents comments yesterday it looks like he is off, so he wont be an issue next year.
     
  4. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    i've not seen anyone say sell him, most are saying that if he wants to go then let him go. its a subtle difference. i think we would all agree that an on form eriksen that wants to be here is a major asset and we should do what we can to keep him.

    whats his agent say?
     
  5. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    "I don't want to add to the speculation around Christian's contract and football future. Christian is only focusing on the football. He has evolved from a world class talent into a world class player."

    Agent talk for he is off.
     
  6. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    hmm, thats not encouraging is it.
     
  7. billyiddo

    billyiddo Paul Stewart Staff Member

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    Klopps CM options are all workman like grafters who do the ugly side well and not much else - Hendersen Milner Fabinho Keita AOC.... id say he has a very clear and defined type of player for that area of the pitch and the variance between them is no different to our selection of CMs (probably less from what i have seen) especially when you factor in how much time Eriksen and Alli spend in that area of the pitch - Winks, Dier, Wanyama, Dembele, Sissoko all have different attributes from one another and fit in to our setup in different ways (Dier won't do the job Wanyama did or Dembele and vice versa etc)

    I think your issue is obviously us not signing anyone for two windows and seeing that as evidence of Poch being too choosy on which type of players he wants to sign whereas id say it's moreso down to the fact that trying to improve a top 4 squad with a limited budget is a hard task.
     
  8. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Pool have Henderson, Milner, Fabinho and Keita. We have Sissoko and the mighty Winksy, who has done great work after some bad injuries.
    It's not a contest really.
     
  9. billyiddo

    billyiddo Paul Stewart Staff Member

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    Looking at the list of players on the link you've provided actually supports my argument quite well imo - not much (if any) variance in the players signed.

    Also shows quite well the difference between Liverpool and Spurs atm with regards to how the managers are being backed in the market - less signings for Klopp at a higher price per player would suggest him getting a higher number of his first choice targets whereas Poch signing more players at a lower cost per player shows what we all should know that we're shopping in the bargain bin and hoping to find gems.

    Once in the stadium and on a better financial footing id expect to see Poch getting more of his first choice signings (like Mane and Wijnaldum iirc)
     
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    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    I agree.
    Some must though be cautious when they think of timescales here.
     
  11. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    Im not talking about his level of performance technically, rather - mentally (?).

    As in - he could easily just play tidy and look good in that side, but instead he often really takes charge and leads that team. He takes responsibility, makes things happen, drives them on. And its THAT which Im talking about.

    THAT is something he rarely ever does for us, but I believe he has the ability to do so - and to honour his ability and potential to the team, I think he should show it a lot more.




    Im asking a question, something which is rarely ridiculous.

    When we play well Eriksen is playing well, absolutely no doubt about it.

    The question is, which informs the other? Is the team on form BECAUSE Eriksen is, or vice-versa?

    A second question is - when has the team performed badly but Eriksen well? Or when has Eriksen raised the level of the team performance to match his ability?
     
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    harr1984 Steve Carr

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    Fair questions to ask. World class players drag their teams to victory when the rest arent performing (whether that be poor form or they just arent as good), they dont only play well when the rest of the team does - they thrive on this and when they really step up. Thats not to be dismissive of Eriksens' abilty/talent, its just what separates him from being a World Class player. Dele and Kane drive us to victory when the team as a collective arent playing well more than Eriksen does for me.....
     
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    billyiddo Paul Stewart Staff Member

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    He has popped up with plenty of match winning moments though in games in which we were playing poorly - last minute winners or assists so he desrves praise for that, however that is a different kettle of fish to driving a team on in the way we are talkimg about.
     
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    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Would you say that Pogba does? I think he can.
    Silva does imo
    No one at Pool does?
    Hazard? Yep

    The 'driving a team on', not sure teams set up like that so much these days.
    Eriksen 'makes us tick' is a saying I use though?
     
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    billyiddo Paul Stewart Staff Member

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    Eriksen is a playmaker, making us tick is what he's on the pitch to do, so as a statement it means very little really.

    Personally i don't think he has to drive us forward in the way Kane and Alli do and the likes of VdV Modric and Bale did before him, to be considered an important/great player and it's perfectly fine for a player not to be able to do that but there's a clear difference in meteorology between those that can and those which can't afaic
     
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    Kandi1977 Les Ferdinand

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    PLENTY of times! So many times that asking that question is ridiculous! There has been so many times that Eriksen has pulled the 42strings, and created chance after chance, but with no one putting them away. You have raised this before, which suggests that you think Eriksen is being carried. And that IS ridiculous.
     
  17. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Cecil Poynton

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    I struggle to think of times when Eriksen has notably out performed the team when the team is off colour.

    In fact I think it is far more common that he is decidedly quiet when the team is poor.

    Tidy, doing a job, but also no where near how he is able to effect and influence the game.

    You are of course free to disagree, but the only thing that is ridiculous is your inference of my posts.

    A player not playing to their potential is nothing like a player being carried.
     
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    90291Spur Nick Barmby

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    I’m responding t someone quoting the danish national manager called Eriksen lazy. He has a few things he’s not good at - tough tackles, towering headers - but lazy is NOT one of his deficits. Yes, he’s in a bad patch of form and deserves for that to be talked about, but many on here seem to let what’s not right with him over-shadow what he brings to the team. I don’t have the stats but don’t recall him being subbed at all this year, so fatigue might be a factor.
     
  19. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    If I recall right he said he doesn't do enough, which as you say maybe isn't the same as being lazy.
    It read as an attitude issue to me. But that could be a language mix up.
     
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    afsoc4life Kasey Keller

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    World Class player that cant finish a setpiece. Is anyone really going to claim Eriksen is in the top 5 AMs in the world. People fall to the ground with fear at dread of playing him?
     

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