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Discussion in 'Randomination' started by StephenH, 27 Sep 2017.

  1. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Doesn't look much to me, reminds me a bit of a Mustang from the front.

    It has nearly half a tonne over the Rapide too, which is already a heavy car.
     
  2. NoLimits01

    NoLimits01 Ilie Dumitrescu

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    Cheers, this is why I'm not an accountant.
     
  3. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    Porsche Tycan or Polestar 1?

    I can put them on the company! Never mind figuring out where to charge them.
     
  4. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    Does this apply to hybrids too?
     
  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I think they have to be plugin, and it depends on the electric range.
     
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  6. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Jimmy McCormick

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    Decisions, decisions...

     
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  7. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    83k for the base level Tycan. I can't charge it at home or at work. If I could, a Polestar 2 with the £3k grant from the government, company car tax breaks and its distinctive look makes it interesting. The iPace is a nice car to drive and be in so says @ShipOfGoldblum and all reviews, but you don't get the £3k grant anymore as its over 59K?

    Although I'd like to get into an electric car, unless I move house or office, or the charging infrastructure improves in London e.g. some charging points on my street, a hybrid seems the only option. The Polestar is 140k. I wouldn't. I don't drive all that much, and it is just a car!

    For less money than all of these options, you could purchase, restore, and add an electric motor to one of these:

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    If there is a car that suits silent 'futuristic' driving, I think this is it.
     
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  8. NoLimits01

    NoLimits01 Ilie Dumitrescu

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    I think we have a winner, we can lock this thread now, the original DS is a work of art and IMHO the pinnacle of French car design

    My only problem with it is, I don't know if I could bring myself to modify such an iconic car


    And I'm now going to spend the rest of the afternoon researching how to electrify a DS
     
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  9. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    Hehe. I wouldn't have any qualms as the original engine is nothing special. Electric engines combined with the air suspension would be fitting.

    I don't know what compromises you'd have with the batteries/range. The engine weight would be replaced by batteries I guess. Whether adding more battery weight (than the engine) would affect the driving dynamics I don't know? It's not a performance car, so presumably could get away with some extra ballast.
     
  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Not sure what that car weighs, but you'd probably need 4 motors to move it.

    I assume it's currently FWD, so that's a lot of extra weight at the back that it wasn't designed for. You'd probably have to completely re-engineer the air suspension to cope.

    Most EVs are quite high up so the batteries can go across most of the vehicle underneath - can't see that working with something that low.
     
  11. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    I think you'd just compromise the range. It has been done. Don't forget the engine is fair weight itself, so removing the block and replacing it pound for pound with lithium iron already gives you a bank of batteries. The original car is front-wheel drive, so provided you don't add too many batteries it should be okay. But yes interesting...
     
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  12. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Stephen Kelly

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    This was an interesting article on driving electric. The cars not really the issue, the infrastructure is. And i think we'll be years away from having decent infrastructure (especially now with COVID).

    I looked at the X5 Hybrid which i like, but it's £10k extra, will i really save £10k over the course of 5-7 years in driving it? Hard to see that i will...
     
  13. ShipOfTheseus

    ShipOfTheseus Alan Hutton

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    There are loads of those articles in the general news media. Journalist is lent electric car for weekend. Obviously, he doesn’t have a domestic charger. Journalist has to struggle with unfriendly charging apps and duff chargers and range anxiety. Journalist bashes out a kiloword about how EVs may be fun to drive but it’s worth waiting a few years until there’s contactless charging under every roadway. The experience for owners with 7kw charging points in their driveways is rather different.
     
  14. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I thought of you Porsche people when I stumbled upon this earlier:
    https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/1206-987-s-track-car-build-thread/?page=1

    You can get a 987S for less than £10k now. I would guess his mods add up to around £15k on top if you ignore the bits he took off and the exhaust. What he doesn't mention ( at least not near enough to the first page to grab my attention) is the need to spend around £4-5k on a closer ratio gearbox. Even so, less than £30k for a track-ready Porsche that laps faster than a GT4 is pretty impressive.
     
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  15. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    You have to do it Scara. Fantastic value.

    Had the briefest look at the link. Will go back to that. Interesting to see that stiffening the car too much lost him traction on the track. Until recently people were after ridged cars, but you want some Flex (especially on uneven roads) to find more grip in corners.


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  16. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Not so much on a track car. Modern tracks are very, very flat and dealing with bumps is far less of an issue than weight transfer.

    Going through the thread a little further and he's added a cage, uprated discs and lines, etc. That's another £4k there.
     
  17. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    I think half the time it’s the building phase that’s the most fun.


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
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  18. NoLimits01

    NoLimits01 Ilie Dumitrescu

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    The reason a lot of track projects get sold with all the toys added is because the owner can bolt on the farkles but then can’t set the car up properly now that everything is fully adjustable

    The amount of track time it takes a novice to get a baseline setup (and a lot never do) should not be underestimated, oh and then you need to dial it into each new track. So you need a data logger, be able to understand what the data is saying and be able to interpret that into setting changes and of course understand how suspension actually works
     
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  19. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Stephen Kelly

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    Popping this back up.

    So after having a deposit on an X5, i pulled out. It's a fantastic car but i couldn't see the additional £10k value in the X5 over the X3.

    Soooooo, picked up the X3 M40i and boy, this thing FLIES. 0-60 in under 5 secs (it's an SUV FFS!). Switching the engine on from a cold start, it is LOUD. Chuffed.
     
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  20. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Ian Walker

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    Congratulations!

    How are the toys? Infotainment, stero?


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