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Assange

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Leeds Spur, 23 Aug 2012.

  1. the dza

    the dza Chris Perry

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    I see there is an article in the Guardian today, 70 MPs -- from across the house -- have written to Sajid David to ask him to prioritise Assange's extradition to Sweden.

    A quote from the article:

    The letter attracted growing support as the Crown Prosecution Service confirmed that in the event of competing extradition requests for the same person, under section 179 of the 2003 Extradition Act it falls to the home secretary to determine which one goes first – based on criteria including the relative severity of the offences, the date of the first warrant and the places where they were committed.

    Read the whole thing here: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...-to-julian-assange-claim-home-secretary-urged
     
  2. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Sajid Javid come on down!

    What are the odds ATM on US vs Sweden?
     
  3. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    I agree it would be unlikely, but we can afford to apply the odds sitting on a phone, chatting on a forum. If the cost of being wrong were a lifetime in Guantanamo, then I wouldn't accept a <1% chance.

    I don't like conspiracy theories, and on the balance of evidence, I don't think there's anything untoward happening here. But if there were, I don't believe the UK or SE governments would stand up to the US and I don't think the US government would find it all that tough to skirt the international laws attempting to restrict it.
     
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    LutonSpurs Niko Kranjcar

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    There are 2 principles at play here. The first one about whistle blowing and freedom of press/speech. and if the US are driving this then there is a strong argument against this.

    2nd principle - the alleged rape allegations are pretty clear. the way they are described are clear to me and if guilt: the guy is clam and a rapist.

    Regarding the Labour front bench and their initial reaction - it is bad as we live in a world where consent in sexual activity is so important and never is it a good look to be on the wrong side.

    also Assange is not some sort of hero at all. His stance on traditional anti imperialists and their crimes is not consistent. So again the guy is a clam. If a communist or a capitalist are both doing the same evil thing, one is not worse or better than the other. both are bad.
     
  5. the dza

    the dza Chris Perry

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    All I have seen the Labour front bench argue against is Assange's extradition to the USA. I have not seen them argue that he should not be extradited to Sweden.
     
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    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    galeforce Vic Buckingham

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    Is he just a whistle blower or did he groom targets to elicit classified information and coach them on how to extract it?
     
  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    I believe he was contacted by someone who wanted to whistle blow but didn't know how without getting caught. He then coached how to do so.

    The lines are a little more blurred in that he apparently encourages his sources to keep producing more.
     
  9. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Colin Calderwood Staff Member

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    I think he has behaved like a broker. He appears to have a narcissistic side (doubtless exacerbated by years of isolation leading to light insanity) and combined with his handling of all this supposed information he has accessed, it is very hard to feel sorry for him.

    If he had all the information he had -and was a journalist at heart- he’d have released it all. Instead it always appeared that he was holding material to leverage situations. The saddest thing for him is he genuinely believed he could do it. I think Trump and the US gov will slowly smash him into pieces unless he gives THEM everything he knows and goes so quiet he makes Snowdon seem like Dennis Rodman.

    It is all very ugly.
     
  10. Mr_B

    Mr_B Steed Malbranque

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    I'd like to know what he did in the embassy all day once they took away his internet access, he lived and breathed online.
     
  11. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Probably had to look at the underwear section of catalogues like we all had to before t'internet.
     

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