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Antonio Conte - officially the new coach of THFC

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Daisuk, 2 Nov 2021.

  1. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Seriously?

    They talked 10 weeks ago.

    So much has happened that has changed Levy's tune in that time:rolleyes:
     
  2. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Ian Walker

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    It looking likely that we will probably get Europa League football with an outside chance of CL?
     
  3. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Paul Stewart

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    Agree largely with the post but the football has definitely improved dramatically under Conte. Have there been periods in games or halves when we have been lacklustre and ineffective? Of course, but we barely created a thing under Nuno and Jose was happy to sit on a 1-0 lead even when we had poor defenders. We create far more opportunities under Conte with the same personnel. We also cover more ground than the opposition, we were near the bottom of the table in just about every category including work rate under Nuno.

    Do fully agree with the sentiment that the players aren’t good enough though. We need to upgrade on a lot of them quickly, like this month, not in the summer. We’ll see if Conte gets his way and we bring in some better players this month.
     
  4. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    Very good post. However, I do think we've looked genuinely better under Conte than Nuno or Jose. Nothing against Nuno, I like the guy, but we looked a lower mid-table side at best under him. Under Conte, we look like close to the best of the rest. We're still miles off it though. That's because the squad lacking quality, depth and is badly unsuited to his football. At right back, centre back and centre midfield, we are badly lacking. This is where Levy needs to back Conte rather than relying on him to work miracles. No point getting Conte in if you don't back him.

    I said it after 4-5 games that we weren't actually much better off under Conte than we were at the same stage under Jose and last week that the "unbeaten in 8 games" was just an anomaly of the fixture list (home games against relegation fodder) rather than his brilliance. I do believe he is the manager we thought we were getting with Jose, a top manager at the peak of his powers, but if we don't support him, he'll get us Europa League at best before it all goes inevitably south.
     
  5. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Andy Thompson

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    metalgear Ian Walker

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    Haha Levy's Corp comms team must be scrambling now for some positive feel good news to release in the next 48 hours

    Sent from my SM-T865 using Fapatalk
     
  7. elltrev

    elltrev Kasey Keller

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    It's not just about spending money though - we've also got to spend it well. (E.g. we've already spent £100m on Ndombele and Lo Celso, and that hasn't got us anywhere. In fact our overall net spend on transfer fees is already higher than City, Chelsea and Liverpool over the last 3 seasons, believe it or not).
     
  8. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    Have they had the meeting yet? Or we waiting for feb?
     
  9. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Ian Walker

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    I'd say that teams tend to be put together over a 5 year period.... We are 6th biggest net spenders over the last 5 years (here are the top 10):

    1. Man Utd: -£480m
    2. Emirates Marketing Project: -£419m
    3. Arsenal: £-333m
    4. Everton: -£247m
    5. Chelsea: -£240m
    6. Spurs: -£207m
    7. West Ham: -£197m
    8. Aston Villa: -£194m
    9. Wolves: -£187m
    10. Brighton: -£186m

    From the above it is clear to see that we obviously haven't spent money well as we have gone backwards compared to all 4 of the clubs appearing immediately below us in that list, despite them spending only a little less than us. It is also quite interesting that over this period our spending is very comparable to clubs who aren't really considered European qualifying clubs.

    The other glaring anomaly is Liverpool who have only spent a net amount of £157m in that period, which is testament to them getting both buying and selling right and also having a great manager who has played the same sort of system year on year so money isn't being wasted on signings who don't fit the next manager's philosophy.

    Slightly worryingly is the fact that we were only the 9th biggest spenders last summer:

    1. Arsenal: -£121m
    2. Man Utd: -£100m
    3. Emirates Marketing Project: £-74m
    4. Crystal Palace: -£66m
    5. West Ham: -£64m
    6. Leeds: -£55m
    7. Leicester: -£49m
    8. Brentford: -£34m
    9. Tottenham: -£31m
    10. Newcastle : -£26m

    Being 9th biggest spenders after finishing 7th was never likely to see us do much climbing in the league, especially when considering that 3 of the clubs who were quite close to us on points in Arsenal, West Ham and Leicester all outspent us quite considerably.

    Time will tell what the strategy of the owners will be in terms of transfer (and wage) spending. Personally I don't think it will be nearly enough to keep Conte here for long but time will tell and I'd love to be proved wrong.
     
  10. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    With the addition of one possibly two attack-minded players, I think we can compete for CL places. We have hard-working grafters under Conte, which is what you need for the league plus some spark and creativity. Which is what we lack a little. We rely too much on Kane and Son. They need a break, and we need more attacking strings to our bow. Another forward, an attacking RB, and Sessessgon fit would revitalise this squad.
     
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  11. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    Surely the fact that utd, arsenal and Everton are three of the top four in that first lists tells us just spending money isn't the answer.
    Add in that utd and arsenal spent more than us in the summer, from a stronger squad base to boot, then the amount you spend is of little consequence, its how you spend it.
     
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    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    Yep. Leicester have been poor this season. But have spent incredibly well the last few years (apart from wages). We should have nicked their dof the season after they won the league and had their fire sale.
     
  13. parklane1

    parklane1 Steve Sedgley

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    tickle my balls with a feather, every transfer is a risk but we have made a few bad ones for sure. At the end of the day most transfers are a risk and ALL clubs have made what turned out to be bad ones.
     
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    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    He went to Everton and signed a shower of absolute brick.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...ews/23-steve-walshs-signings-everton-17937898

    Makes the signings of Lo Celso and Ndombele look like shrewd business. Just goes to show what a lottery signing players can be.
     
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  15. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    parklane1 Steve Sedgley

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    And to think a lot of fans were saying how well they had done a few years ago by spending money. Its a risk and all clubs make bad ones.
     
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    elltrev Kasey Keller

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    Yeah I just mentioned three seasons as we were obviously hampered by the stadium before that.

    Also last summer doesn't include the eventual fee for Romero - appreciate that's technically accurate, but it does mean the figure is a bit misleading.

    Thanks for the additional analysis!
     
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  18. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Justin Edinburgh

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    Hopefully the independent regulator brings in some proper financial controls. Wouldn't mind a la liga type spending cap.
     
  19. parklane1

    parklane1 Steve Sedgley

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    Do not disagree at all, can not see it though.
     
  20. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Ian Walker

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    Arsenal had a weaker squad base than we did (as evidenced by us finishing above them in the league the past several years).
    Man Utd I agree with. They have spent money strangely these past few years, buying players for positions where they are well stocked and ignoring positions where they are weak. I still expect them to finish above us this season though. My point here though is that we finished 7th last season and then spent the 9th highest amount in the league, with of the 3 clubs who finished closest to us in terms of points last season all outspending us. This makes it unlikely that we'll do much better this season. Yes we now have an elite manager in place, but it will be difficult for him to do much more than make up for the points we threw away in the opening part of the season when the manager we had in place was anything but elite, especially if 2 or 3 players that the manager wants aren't brought in this month.
     

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