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Another shooting in Murica

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Roy1983, 17 Jul 2016.

  1. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    The thing is this is not new, I remember the Rodney King Riots where 60 odd people were killed.

    Is this a case that America is saying enough is enough?
     
  2. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    What's not new? The playbook run by Nixon and now this turd? Yes. That was my point!
    And the King riots were a different situation. Look up the Watts riots for further ref. There is no doubt terrible things happened and terrible acts, but again, if you want to try and understand why you'd need to get into US civil rights history.

    What some on this forum don't quite get is that until 1964, actual physical segregation was legal. Sadly -due in part to the sheer size of the place- segregation still exists in the US.
     
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  3. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    Oh I think people get it, I was more trying to emphasis that the fight back seems more emphasized now for that reason feels like a new problem, but these unlawful killings and then subsequent riots have been a huge problem for many a year
     
  4. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    ...because you have POTUS playing it for all he can to sew seeds of fear and anger, trying to convince everyone that the US is being overcome with looters, sneaker thieves, pinkos and leftist scum that only HE can save them from. Do you know about Nixon in that era? This is a cruder version.
     
  5. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Paul Stalteri

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    Not to mention bad actors, undercover police looting and starting fires to fan the literal flames. It's fudged up.
     
  6. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 John Lacy

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    IS that true?
     
  7. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I personally don't believe in the "actors" theories, no, and I am not sure I believe in police contributing in that way. What I personally believe is that Trump knows he can use groups like Proud Boys and the Patriot groups to go and sew chaos with such subversive action. Roll a few right wing Trumpers through certain places at certain times and it is like kerosene on dry wood with a match box in your hand.
     
  8. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    My guess is Iran. Not sure they can beat China so he will go Iran.

    I hope we would stay out of it, but dont think we have a strong enough leader to do that.
     
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  9. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I've yet to see anyone trying to defend property against nobody.

    If the protesters aren't there, the nutjobs with guns aren't either.
     
  10. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Read the boldface sentence again. You believe in democracy, right? You have either not clearly articulated yourself, or you are adhering to the cheapest rule of any self-respecting autocrat which is to basically say that protests are trouble and should therefore not be allowed.
     
  11. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Protests are allowed - I don't believe protests should inconvenience normal people.

    Freedom to protest is not the same as freedom from consequences.
     
  12. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I agree.
    The vast majority of protestors are peaceful, regardless of what Breitbart might be telling you...
     
  13. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Of course, but I hold them responsible for those who are not.
     
  14. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Paul Stalteri

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    Therein lies the foolishness of your view.
     
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  15. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Milija Aleksic

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    I've seen it mate. There was a great Q&A with the men available as well, not sure if it is still on Netflix.
     
  16. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    Anyone organising an event is responsible for what happens there.

    In any other walk of life that's the case.
     
  17. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I will remember that the next time one moron spouts racist abuse or smashes a shop window abroad while following us. It will -by your definition- be as much your fault as anyone's.
     
  18. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Are we responsible for the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths in Iraq as a result One man's flunking of "facts" to justify a regime change and war there? Should we blame you? Can't get a more "organized event" than a military invasion.
     
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  19. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    The club's fault - they are the ones setting up the event.

    And yes, any supporter groups involved in it too.
     
  20. scaramanga

    scaramanga Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    I'm fairly sure we reduced a fudgetonne (official measure) of deaths too. Wouldn't have been much left of Kuwait by now of we hadn't.

    The reasoning was flimflam, the action was sound.
     

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