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American politics

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Danishfurniturelover, 26 Jan 2016.

  1. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    This is an attempt to whitewash history. This is not remotely equivalent really.
     
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    DTA Sergei Rebrov

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    this is nothing to do with political correctness- such a shît say nothing term btw.

    This is about glossing over the fact that America was founded on a genocide and built by slavery. Those facts are kind of inconvenient truths that get in the way of their perceived exceptionalism
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    But it is. They are using more watered down language because presumably the right wing base aren’t comfortable with the term slavery. They are trying to lesson its impact which is completely wrong.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    I think one of the problems is that some terms have been co-opted as some broad-stroke pejorative with no bearing to their original meaning. Woke is a good example, or cancel culture is another meaningless expression now. In the example above, right-wing political correctness is an oxymoron in my opinion. There is no both sides to being an ignorant asshole. You are one or you are not.

    I like to use the original definitions...
    woke = not a fudging racist
    pc = not a fudging asshole
    cancel culture = own your fudging brick or face the consequences
    ....but as soon as I hear any of those terms being introduced to a discussion I tend to ignore the rest of what is being said as I know where things are headed.
     
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    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    I agree with everything you’re saying except that it is PCness. It isn’t in the way that phrase tends to get used.
     
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    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    I think this is on-point personally (and sadly!!!)
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Liberalism should be about lifting people up who have been forgotten. Cancel culture is just petty and vindictive. People should be called out when they make a big fudge up, but there are times when an apology should be enough and we should move on with our lives. It shouldn’t be about going back hundreds of years and removing statues of historical figures like Lincoln and Churchill because they don’t measure up to today’s standards. You can’t apply todays norms and conventions to behaviour from 100 years ago. Slavery and colonialism used to be very common hundreds of years ago. It’s not good at all but people who engaged in it weren’t outliers in their times. I dare say a lot of people on this forum would have had slaves in those times unless you were Nostradamus and knew it was wrong back then. Even the bible has many passages about slavery and they don’t exactly condemn it.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    I think you are missing my point. So for example, I am saying that the term cancel culture is now a catchall for what used to be just called accountability. The term is now meaningless. Michael Hobbes did a good deconstruction on it if I recall correctly. I'll dig it out. It might explain my point better than I am.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Whilst I agree the term is too broadly used sometimes, there are countless examples of people losing their jobs over things they said and did years ago which they apologised for at the time but someone has resurrected a tweet, or for things they tweeted when they were teenagers. Or renaming schools named after Abraham Lincoln because his views aren’t liberal enough for 2022 even though for his time, his views were liberal and his actions deserve to be judged more than what he said, which was a completely different world. I think Ricky Gervais summed it up when he said he hopes he lives long enough to see todays woke generation cancelled for not being woke enough in 10-20 years time.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    You are more or less doing exactly as I described in my post above. Applying a hugely broad interpretation to the phrase cancel culture which renders it meaningless, imo. Now normally I would have stopped paying attention before now (see my original post) but in the interest of discussion here is the Michael Hobbes vid I referred to earlier. You might not agree with it but I think it is on the money.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    I get the point you’re making but I disagree completely. There are many examples of people being cancelled for things they did decades ago. Or things they tweeted when they weren’t adults. We need more people like John McWhorter (see below) and less people like Owen Jones

     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Mikey10 Vedran Corluka

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    Owen Jones is an arsehole. He still thinks the answer to every problem is Jeremy Corbyn.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Nah you didn't. Have a good one.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Its called politely disagreeing :)
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Actually, we are not disagreeing about anything really. We are not even talking about the same thing. You are giving examples of things being canceled whereas I am saying that the term cancel culture has become a replacement word to decribe different forms of accountability i.e. the consequences of your actions. Different discussions.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    I never said people shouldn’t be held accountable, but not for individuals like Lincoln who lived centuries ago but people have decided just now that his values don’t measure up to todays standards. That’s not accountability, it’s a cheap way to make yourself look more enlightened. I think people resurrecting decade old tweets and other people piling on in an attempt to de-platform them or get them fired is petty. If you think that’s “Accountability” then I guess we will have to leave it there.
     
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    P.D. Vedran Corluka

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    Why are the DOJ filming a documentary? I think all these big hearings on prime time TV and hyping it up to gain audiences will backfire on them personally.

    Whilst it's damming it's not as damming as Biden's approval ratings.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Not the DOJ, the Trumpians were. A chap called Alex Holder was with the Trumps in and around the time of the insurrection.

    The Jan 6 hearings have already exceeded expectations by all accounts. It has already done what it intended to do.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    The end goal should be to prevent him from ever running for POTUS again.
     
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