Baleforce
Ron Henry
In one of the journalist books after the election (might have been Fear by Bob Woodward), the claim, from someone who was in the room, said Trump was in shock, and Melania in tears, they wanted not to win.
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In one of the journalist books after the election (might have been Fear by Bob Woodward), the claim, from someone who was in the room, said Trump was in shock, and Melania in tears, they wanted not to win.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Les Ferdinand
All very noble but surely Brexit shows us democracy doesnt work and how do you connect with the 90% of the population who only want to look at porn or cats playing on the internet?
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I would say in this case they were not fully aware of who Trump was. The Trump of the apprentice was the one that most knew but this person was a construct for a reality show. However, the intelligence community were well aware of who he was. There were red flags before, figuratively and literally, and they were ignored.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Yeah it was in that. I used my audible trial on this book
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I thought everyone knew of how Trump does business.
Maybe not the Russia stuff, but the Mafia and dodgy New York stuff has been common knowledge for a long time.
greatwhitenorf
Vedran Corluka
Uh huh. Remember, from that big political music rally not long ago, that there was a 'warning on the brown acid'. It still holds, I think.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Brexit was an advisory vote, that got steamrollered into a binding vote somehow. Normally when you have seismic referendum a majority of the nation need to approve it. Only a third did. So again, this shows a systemic failure, rather than a failure of the people.
Those who are interested in cats, I have no gripes with them. We elect politicians to represent us. We hope they do a job for us. When it comes to ideas or laws on animal rights, or porn, then maybe these people would be more interested in engaging by watching a presentation on YouTube, making their point online, and placing an advisory vote?
We need dedicated elected people making decisions for us. That shouldn't change. But there is potential to get more people engaged.
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K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Les Ferdinand
I totally agree with your thought but in our country very few people are interested in anything but themselves and have little or no interest in anything that does not effect themselves, we have managed to fulfil Mrs Thatchers prophecy "theres no such thing as society"
The modern world changes so quickly its extremely difficult to plan for the future and what looks like a sensible decision today is outdated before it can be put in place.
In most countries leadership is handed to late middle aged men who surround themselves with their peers and have little conection with the populous. These people have little interest in changing anything that would reduce their status.
(Citation needed).
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-pointless-masochistic-ambition-history-done
See paragraph on super-majority.
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
The issue there is the third that did not vote you assume are not bothered so there can be no real gripe in the result of those that do. Get busy living or Get busy dying is the saying.
The issue with politics is like life opinions are like arseholes everyone has one so to find systems or answers that represents all is never going to materialise.
I remember when I worked for 6 years in Canada and when Trudeau came in and the country were joyous, the major socialist PM who would change the country for the good but eventually you realise that all politicians, even the great white hopes are all self serving and would not be left to run a kindergarden let alone a country.
The major issue with politics is not just a lack of engagement from politicians but questions from people come election time. There are many ways to engage with your local MP if you want to, more so closer to election time but how many people can say they have really done that? I bet its a small percentage and those on here now already know which way they will vote come the next election without even engaging with their local MP.
Everyone could do more.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
I don't know. At the beginning of covid, people were fully onside. An amazing amount of people observed lockdown. We all supported the NHS as a collective - even cheering them once a week from our porches, balconies and windows.
People are not the problem. Weak leadership often is. Now, we have lost national belief, and we don't have clear messaging for people. So there isn't the collective spirit there was at the start of covid.
But the bigger piece is that to engage people in politics you need invention and newness. In all other media spheres things reinvent and refresh. Popularism is just a pent up need for things to be new and different. We should be looking at ways to refresh and improve political and governmental systems. Instead they stay stuck in a similar state to previous centuries.
I hate to tell you this but what have linked there;
- Is an opinion piece
- Is written by a novelist
- Does not show that "Normally when you have seismic referendum a majority of the nation need to approve it."
- Links to a paper that does not show that "Normally when you have seismic referendum a majority of the nation need to approve it."
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Les Ferdinand
I have to disagree people are the problem, as soon as covid restrictions began to get annoying to their needs they start to put pressure on local politicians or ignoring guidelines.
On this site we have many calling for allowing fans to return without any thought of the logistic of such action and the risks, just for a sporting pastime. Many people complaining about their kids education were more concerned with get them off their hands and the bloody stupidity of allowing pubs to open to appease the feckless is beyond belief and that's the opinion of a dedicated boozer.
We live in a "ME" culture and it will take a massive wakeup call to change this.
On this site we have many calling for allowing fans to return without any thought of the logistic of such action and the risks, just for a sporting pastime. Many people complaining about their kids education were more concerned with get them off their hands and the bloody stupidity of allowing pubs to open to appease the feckless is beyond belief and that's the opinion of a dedicated boozer.
We live in a "ME" culture and it will take a massive wakeup call to change this.