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All or Nothing - spoilers

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Denmark Spur, 25 Sep 2019.

  1. ShipOfTheseus

    ShipOfTheseus Alan Hutton

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    All this. brick telly, although shows that from a brand management perspective they've learned a lot from Poch's treatise on lemons.
     
  2. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    So we now have to do a complete rebuild - oh deep joy!
    Hope you are wrong. What bothers me is I think you could be right.
     
  3. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    I’m sure I’m right
    Some players will adapt
    Some talk as though they have or will but just aren’t getting there
     
  4. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    The 'special one' is coming over as just 'another one'.
     
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  5. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Mauricio Taricco

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    I think he comes across really well. I think he's got a great attitude and way with people. It's some of the subtle stuff like knowing Kane had two kids at the first training session and the way he is always emphasising the positive and not to dwell on brick that has happened. He's also a strong character and doesn't shirk conflict. We don't see the tactical stuff really but by all accounts he's strong in that area.

    He's a football manager, not a magician. There is no tricks to what he does and what he's done. Personally, I've been impressed with him even though it's clearly a PR exercise. He just doesn't have the tools (available at least) to do what he wants to do.
     
  6. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Steffen Iversen

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    I don't think you can judge on a PR puff piece. There is enough evidence of Jose not being a nice guy. Eye gouges, mind 'games', how he has hung players out to dry in public (Luke Shaw). He is a super smart guy who knows that he has to re-build HIS brand. And having a dead dog and talking about brothers and family helps that.
     
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  7. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Mauricio Taricco

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    Very good point and I certainly don't believe that he's a nice guy.

    It's a cliche but you know you've made it in management when you can fake sincerity. I think Jose can fake sincerity better than most. Problem is, eventually you do get found out if you are a nasty bastard and that could be why Jose only ever has 2-3 year cycles even when he's at his most successful. Everything he does is geared towards winning so when it doesn't happen and it becomes apparent it isn't going to happen again, you get to see nasty Jose.
     
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  8. Bullet

    Bullet Paul Walsh

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    I just waded through to the end of Ep9.

    It was a good reminder for me of what happened, the specific games, injuries, controversies, moments.

    Interesting that Dier smooshed Son's shin in training, and then in the next game Lloris called out Son for not tracking back which was harsh because Moura's ball was terrible and there was no way Son could have got back (without a car). But that angst and arguing did provide the right mental fortitude to go back out and fight and fight and fight.

    Seems like that is the primary thing we need, fights. To try harder, guts or glory, fight to the death, to dare is to do, not be so passive, not allow ourselves to go through the motions and "try" but REALLY TRY TO THE MAX.

    It is clear to me that Kane and Son are elite finishers, and Lo Celso is an elite midfielder with SOME of the technical ability of Modric. We also have quite a few journeymen.
     
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  9. Bullet

    Bullet Paul Walsh

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    Oh yeah, after the final game against Palace, Kane had a very short trim back and sides, then in the next moment at the BBQ to say goodbye to Jan and Michel, his hair was super long. TV eh?
     
  10. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    52FD243D-6844-4F94-AA56-13F90B0D3F9A.png evidence of the agenda
     
  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I got furious towards the end because Mourinho presented himself as the first manager these players have ever had who got them to fight and be aggressive. What utter gonad*s!!!! Poch got us right up there in the tough stakes and we had a couple of seasons where we were raging, playing beautiful football AND winning games. I'll stop now...needless to say, I am all in on the Bale stuff because I want to believe it and I want him back, if only to make me smile and to allow me to see Bale Kane Son...
     
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  12. DubaiSpur

    DubaiSpur Jimmy McCormick

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    Agreed. To be honest, I find myself feeling more than a little grim satisfaction when Mourinho chews these players out, or claims credit for things they had been doing long before he got here. All of you got Poch sacked - hope you enjoy this bloke's antics in place of the house Poch built.

    Same thing with the players feebly defending their display against Everton - it might have been Mourinho's fault, it might not, but I feel absolutely no sympathy for these blokes because I know that this exact same lethargy got Poch sacked, and because they had it good with Poch and didn't know it.
     
  13. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    This
    The players seem to get a free ride in so many situations
     
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  14. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Jimmy Neighbour

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    Spoiler Alert,!:D
     
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  15. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    They are also used by the current manager as spacegoats. He has form for doing this.
    Dele is today's version. Jose is just repeating what he did with Shaw.
    As it's a TV show I take it all with a pinch of salt. But Jose is a little too Harry Redknapp at times, he loves a microphone and a camera.
    What he's doing to Dele is in my eyes is cheap and degrading to the club. If Jose thinks he's not pulling his weight fine but don't use the Dail Mail to tell him, your his fecking manager, not a reality TV host.
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Jimmy Neighbour

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    The closing, the pressing, the chasing is not born out by being TOLD to do it.

    The motivation is born out of YOU wanting to do it, and that usually means doing it for the collective and the manager.

    And this will all be a by product of the culture the manager creates and a big part of that can be his personality. He gives you something to get behind to believe in. Poch, Klopp, Rodgers, Nuno all follow this path. Jose and Pep not so much.
     
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  17. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    THIS!
     
  18. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    It takes time to create that though ethos
    Poch didn’t get us pressing in a day
    We saw the peak of that after 18 months
     
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  19. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    As much as I agree it takes time. This group look totally bored by Mourinho, they all talk the talk about Jose on TV but they are not buying in. He is a poor teacher as his ego gets in the way. I can see why Poch didn't like the idea of the TV show.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    It’s the same players that Poch struggled with in the end don’t forgot and they loved him
     
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