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Saudi Sportswashing Machine ratings..

=D> Excellent review - best of the lot.


Huddy said:
Lloris 7 - Solid not really called upon but made a good save towards the end.
Walker 5.5 - Lost his man for their goal and was poor going forward.
Dawson 6.5 - Solid enough but tends to lunge in too much.
Caulker 6 - Some shaky moments but decent.
Naughton 5.5 - Not a left back. Poor distribution.
Lennon 6.5 - A couple of runs but a quiet day from Azza.
Dembele 5 - No end product, can look great on the ball but eventually goes sideways or loses the ball. Added very little today.
Parker 5.5 - Combative, but obviously instructed to provide a more rounded performance. Parker has his strengths but its not pass or attacking the final third. Poor today.
Bale 8 - What would we do without his goals. Bale provided moments but didn't impact the game as much as I'd like.
Holtby 6.5 - Lively first half lead to a quiet second before being subbed. Decent.
Dempsey 5.5 - Provided very little up front not strong enough against the Saudi Sportswashing Machine defence. Kept attempting long range efforts with weak shots.

Not scoring Subs.

AVB 7 - Pleased we're using rotation, but I'm still worried as a team we have not reached the heights we're capable of on a consistent basis. Slow build up play is all good and well if you have someone who can unlock the door and players good enough to make the runs, but we don't have those players. Far too reliant on Bale atm.
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Lloris 8 - as ever, our number 1 was sharp and alert. Unlucky with the goal, excellent focus to make that late save which saved us 2 points.

Walker 7 - has been consistently improving throughout the season and is getting back to full form. I still worry when he and Caulker are together back there, though today he actually got back and covered Caulker a couple of times.

Dawson 8 - fearless, full of heart, led by example and excellent last-minute block.

Caulker 6 - he's a young man with great talent, but these will be a tough couple of months as he needs to turn up his focus and consistency in a long season at a club with real expectations. Felt he was positionally shakey a couple of times, but he is a fine, fine prospect for sure.

Naughton 7 - solid, didn't miss much and sometimes left dealing with two men when Caulker switched off.

Lennon 8 - exciting going forwards and fantastic covering when not on the ball. One of our best.

Dembele 6.5 - going through a rough patch form-wise, but battled and battled today. A performance marked more by his strength and refusal to lose physical midfield battles.

Parker 7 - some wonderful tackles/challenges and whilst he is obviously a different kettle of fish to The Beast, he brings his own energy and qualities. Yes, the pirouettes are frustrating, but a strong and important performance.

Bale 9 - on another planet. The only reason he doesn't get 10 is because he missed his hat-trick with an astonishing miss. He's allowed. I bow to the man.

Holtby 6.5 - early energy was excellent, technically great but not ready for the full 90 yet as we saw.

Dempsey 7 (+1 for not being a fudging pussy) - true grit. You try getting off a flight from Honduras on Thursday to training on Friday to game on Saturday lunchtime and leading the line in an unfamiliar role. Won the free-kick for Bale's goal with a fine move. An extra point for then going on to play 99 minutes of tough, physical football

Ade 6.5 - did well when he came on.

BAE 6.5 - good sub

Livermore 6 - did nothing wrong but perhaps could've leathered his chance better? Would have to see again

AVB 8 - once again getting maximum effort from the squad in international week. Worth remembering that we have Sandro and Defoe out, two players he has called out as vital to the side this season. He also managed to rest Verts and Benny.
 
Lloris 7 it's like he has always been our 'keeper. His mere presence installs confidence.

Naughton 6 really tries hard, but a full back is a specialist position. BAE can't play right back, and Kyle can't play left.
Caulker 7 good steady performance.
Dawson 7.5 heart of the defence.
Walker 6.5 ok-ish, he just needs to sort out his final ball

Bale 9.5 world class performance, would have got 10 if he had a right foot :)
Dembele 7 good steady performance.
Parker 7 as per Dembele.
Lennon 8 really consistent performance, I love it when he scampers after lost causes!

Holtby 7.5 worked his socks off for the team, great first touch, two reasonable efforts on goal.
Dempsey 7 as per Dembele.

Subs:

BAE 7 should have come on earlier, team looked more balanced with him on his natural flank.
Adebayor 7 gave Les Stripes something else to think about, we looked better with a natural striker on the pitch.
Livermore 6.5 slotted in nicely, only a decent block prevented him from scoring.

Management 8 see the BAE statement, all other subs were spot on imv.

Fans 6 now I know how the Park Lane faithful feel looking at the Paxton - How quiet were we today? Only sprang to life when the second goal went in!
 
Quite the role reversal today, normally I'm defending Parker, thought he was poor today. I know passing isn't his strong point, but some of the wayward passes today were terrible.
 
Maltese Falcon said:
If appreciating a player who gives 150% and who is constantly slated for something he is not in the team for, then no problem whatsoever. After all, we all know what your predictions of Parker were last season and how that panned out... I predicted that Parker would be an ever present uner Redknapp, you ridiculed that and had to eat humble pie. You blamed that on Redknapp; yet we now have another manager who seems to be playing him game in game out leaving Huddlestone - who you said was miles better - no even on the bench.

I asked you once and will do it again: what will it take for you to give Parker an 8 or 9 in a game? Still waiting, mate...
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I don't think I ever said Parker wasn't going to start for us, merely that he wasn't good enough to and 'Arry was a fcuking idiot if he thought otherwise. Still happily stand by that opinion.

As to your question of an 8 or 9, I'm sure I've answered that before but I'll do so again if that makes you happy.

Sandro on a good day is an 8 or 9, so Parker will need to be at least as good as Sandro (never gonna happen). He'll need to do what I expect from a modern PL midfielder:

• Look up an see what's happening around him before he receives the ball
• Pass to someone outside of the 30 degree cone of vision in front of him
• Do something the opposition can't easily predict
• Consider the pass after the one he's making (a completed pass isn't any good if the person you pass to has no space and loses the ball)
• Play the ball in front of a running player
• Play the ball to the side of a player where they have more space (force them to turn in the right direction if they're being closed from behind)
• Look up and see where the weak points in the opposition are and try to play the ball in that direction (hint: our opposition's weak point is not our back 4 or keeper)
• Try and spread the play a little and stretch the opposition
• Hold the ball when we need to slow the pace down
• Lay the ball off first time when we're on a break (in fact just one first touch pass would make me happy)
• Learn which foot our players like to receive the ball on and attempt to pass the ball to that foot (something Holtb seems to have picked up already)
• Get rid of that stupid chav haircut

All of the above are the very basics for a decent, modern midfielder - unless you play for Stoke. I'm reasonably happy with Parker's role as sub, it's just unfortunate Sandro's out for so long that Parker has to start a lot of matches.

There are no marks for effort at this level.
 
scaramanga said:
I don't think I ever said Parker wasn't going to start for us, merely that he wasn't good enough to and 'Arry was a fcuking idiot if he thought otherwise. Still happily stand by that opinion.

As to your question of an 8 or 9, I'm sure I've answered that before but I'll do so again if that makes you happy.

Sandro on a good day is an 8 or 9, so Parker will need to be at least as good as Sandro (never gonna happen). He'll need to do what I expect from a modern PL midfielder:

• Look up an see what's happening around him before he receives the ball
• Pass to someone outside of the 30 degree cone of vision in front of him
• Do something the opposition can't easily predict
• Consider the pass after the one he's making (a completed pass isn't any good if the person you pass to has no space and loses the ball)
• Play the ball in front of a running player
• Play the ball to the side of a player where they have more space (force them to turn in the right direction if they're being closed from behind)
• Look up and see where the weak points in the opposition are and try to play the ball in that direction (hint: our opposition's weak point is not our back 4 or keeper)
• Try and spread the play a little and stretch the opposition
• Hold the ball when we need to slow the pace down
• Lay the ball off first time when we're on a break (in fact just one first touch pass would make me happy)
• Learn which foot our players like to receive the ball on and attempt to pass the ball to that foot (something Holtb seems to have picked up already)
• Get rid of that stupid chav haircut

All of the above are the very basics for a decent, modern midfielder - unless you play for Stoke. I'm reasonably happy with Parker's role as sub, it's just unfortunate Sandro's out for so long that Parker has to start a lot of matches.

There are no marks for effort at this level.
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So despite him being our player of the year as voted for by the FANS OF THFC, you still won't admit you were wrong? But then again, this is a football forum like I said before, people don't admit they made mistakes.
 
Jurgen the German said:
So despite him being our player of the year as voted for by the FANS OF THFC, you still won't admit you were wrong? But then again, this is a football forum like I said before, people don't admit they made mistakes.
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I simply think a lot of English football fans suffer from the issue of measuring a performance by the weight of mud on a player's shirt. The same way Carragher had such a long career.

If the fans that voted are correct, that means Parker was better than Bale, better than Lennon, better than Modric, etc. Not in a million years.
 
scaramanga said:
I don't think I ever said Parker wasn't going to start for us, merely that he wasn't good enough to and 'Arry was a fcuking idiot if he thought otherwise. Still happily stand by that opinion.

As to your question of an 8 or 9, I'm sure I've answered that before but I'll do so again if that makes you happy.

Sandro on a good day is an 8 or 9, so Parker will need to be at least as good as Sandro (never gonna happen). He'll need to do what I expect from a modern PL midfielder:

• Look up an see what's happening around him before he receives the ball
• Pass to someone outside of the 30 degree cone of vision in front of him
• Do something the opposition can't easily predict
• Consider the pass after the one he's making (a completed pass isn't any good if the person you pass to has no space and loses the ball)
• Play the ball in front of a running player
• Play the ball to the side of a player where they have more space (force them to turn in the right direction if they're being closed from behind)
• Look up and see where the weak points in the opposition are and try to play the ball in that direction (hint: our opposition's weak point is not our back 4 or keeper)
• Try and spread the play a little and stretch the opposition
• Hold the ball when we need to slow the pace down
• Lay the ball off first time when we're on a break (in fact just one first touch pass would make me happy)
• Learn which foot our players like to receive the ball on and attempt to pass the ball to that foot (something Holtb seems to have picked up already)
• Get rid of that stupid chav haircut

All of the above are the very basics for a decent, modern midfielder - unless you play for Stoke. I'm reasonably happy with Parker's role as sub, it's just unfortunate Sandro's out for so long that Parker has to start a lot of matches.

There are no marks for effort at this level.
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WALOB.

As if Sandro ever does that on a regular basis! But then one pass from Sandro and you're having a wet dream but the same pass from Parker (the reverse pass to Bale in the first half was the best in the game) and lo and behold you conveniently miss that. Above all, how would you rate Dembele's game for the past two or three months on your same points?

Still no comment on your Huddlestone comparisons, I see.

Parker's a holding midfielder and he is there to:
- tackle,
- close the opposition,
- deny space through the middle
- regain the ball when the opponents are attacking
- provide leadership,
- ensure that concentration is maintained till the 95th minute and avoid the embarrassing goals shipped at the end of the game that cost us

If you don't like that, tough. But he does what he's on the pitch for and does it with 150% effort.

Ultimately, mate, you try you project yourself as some football conneusier yet you have been made the fool by two Spurs managers who consistently picked the player you have tried to drag through the gutter even before he kicked a football for us.

Let me see... Redknapp, Hodgson and now AVB or Scara???? Now who will I trust???.......
 
Lloris 7
Walker 5
Dawson 7
Caulker 6
Naughton 5
Lennon 6
Parker 5
Dembele 5
Bale 9
Holtby 6
Dempsey 5

Adebayor 6
Assou-Ekotto 6
Livermore 6

Didn't work particularly well as a unit again, and tending to rely on flashes of brilliance from the ever-dwindling number of players putting that on offer. Basically, today, it was just Bale.
 
Maltese Falcon said:
Still no comment on your Huddlestone comparisons, I see.

Parker's a holding midfielder
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Huddlestone's always been 10x the player Parker will ever be - I don't think he's going to recover properly from his injury in time to show that again, but I hope I'm wrong.

How many top teams play a 1980s English-style holding midfielder that can't pass the ball properly? It's a dead position in modern football (at least amongst teams that want to achieve something).
 
I admire the effort he puts in but he needs to quit thinking he's Xavi and also stop running into dead ends, give it simple and back the play up. I'm not excusing Dembele either as he hasn't been the same since his injury, if we had a deeper squad we could rest him a lot more but alas he'll just have to keep on playing as we need him.
 
scaramanga said:
Huddlestone's always been 10x the player Parker will ever be - I don't think he's going to recover properly from his injury in time to show that again, but I hope I'm wrong.

How many top teams play a 1980s English-style holding midfielder that can't pass the ball properly? It's a dead position in modern football (at least amongst teams that want to achieve something).
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Other than his passing, what can he do?

No bigger clubs have ever been in for him.
 
I thought the subs made the difference today. Kudos to AVB for treating our returnees with respect and care. BAE rises in my estimation again. We are unbeatable right now and with Ade up front we are more pleasant on the eye.
 
not bothered with ratings, was a good and competitive match.

Ade did better than 6, was really lively when he came on, seemed to really care for the first time ever, solid 7

Dembele was bullied around, deserves more than 5 though.

Dempsey tried, was not effective, AVB´s only mistake was not to take him off on 60th minute.

Bale, world class, if he would have had the hat trick I would be raving about the best Tottenham performance in recent years, on par with him against Inter (x2) and Berbatov home v Bolton

bonus point to Lloris, for match winning save on Ameobi
 
Jurgen the German said:
So despite him being our player of the year as voted for by the FANS OF THFC, you still won't admit you were wrong? But then again, this is a football forum like I said before, people don't admit they made mistakes.
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Probably the same spastic fans who voted Kyle walker our best ever right back :lol:
 
scaramanga said:
I don't think I ever said Parker wasn't going to start for us, merely that he wasn't good enough to and 'Arry was a fcuking idiot if he thought otherwise. Still happily stand by that opinion.

As to your question of an 8 or 9, I'm sure I've answered that before but I'll do so again if that makes you happy.

Sandro on a good day is an 8 or 9, so Parker will need to be at least as good as Sandro (never gonna happen). He'll need to do what I expect from a modern PL midfielder:

• Look up an see what's happening around him before he receives the ball
• Pass to someone outside of the 30 degree cone of vision in front of him
• Do something the opposition can't easily predict
• Consider the pass after the one he's making (a completed pass isn't any good if the person you pass to has no space and loses the ball)
• Play the ball in front of a running player
• Play the ball to the side of a player where they have more space (force them to turn in the right direction if they're being closed from behind)
• Look up and see where the weak points in the opposition are and try to play the ball in that direction (hint: our opposition's weak point is not our back 4 or keeper)
• Try and spread the play a little and stretch the opposition
• Hold the ball when we need to slow the pace down
• Lay the ball off first time when we're on a break (in fact just one first touch pass would make me happy)
• Learn which foot our players like to receive the ball on and attempt to pass the ball to that foot (something Holtb seems to have picked up already)
• Get rid of that stupid chav haircut

All of the above are the very basics for a decent, modern midfielder - unless you play for Stoke. I'm reasonably happy with Parker's role as sub, it's just unfortunate Sandro's out for so long that Parker has to start a lot of matches.

There are no marks for effort at this level.
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=D>

a perfect summary
 
Lloris - 7 (What a keeper we have here. The shot stopping ability of Gomes and the Brains of Friedal. He will be our #1 for some time hopefully)
Naughton - 5.5 (Still seems out of his depth.)
Dawson - 8 (What a rock this man is. Serious man love at the moment.)
Caulker - 7 (Please stop kicking it out for throws all the time.)
Walker - 7 (Some great runs forward and still defended well.)
Bale - 9.5 (This guy is something else...)
Dembele 6 (an off game, at one stage I had to ask someone if he was on the pitch.)
Parker - 6 (unlike Dembele, this was one of his half okay games, but still appalling..)
Lennon - 7 (quiet compared to Bale but still giving it all. Chasing down players defence wise and making decent runs..)
Holtby - 7 (had quite a few chances that I would have liked to have seen one buried, but still, I do love the man. Great vision and attacking play.)
Dempsey - 6 (Not quite sure where he was deployed today. But still was niggling away.)

Subs;
Ade - 6 (Passing was pretty good..)
BAE - N/A
Livermore - N/A
 
Tbh, I really struggle to see the difference between Parker's and Dembele's passing. Both have great defensive qualities, but even in good form tend to hold on to the ball far too long and rarely play the first-time pass, much less the visionary first-time pass. The result - we can win and keep the ball, hence our great defensive record, but good lord are we slow, turgid, and disjointed with it (yes, I know striker is a big issue here, but the problem runs deeper than that for me).
 
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