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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Yes, it’s really unedifying.

Without hyperbole, it’s straight out of the fascist playbook. Dehumanize a group and it’s easier to mobilize against their interests and rights.

They’re walking through the door Trump opened.

They’re misrepresenting scrutiny as a witch-hunt, positioning themselves as the victim and - Dorries in particular - likes to conflate the leader with the state, branding opposition as treason. Which is another fascist tactic.

There is a lot going on which smacks of fascism, not least Braverman’s attempts to make it next to impossible to challenge government actions through the courts.

They seem to think that any questioning of their policies or ideas should be quashed (and often be branded as ‘unpatriotic’, ‘lefty’ or ‘woke’), rather than realising that good, workable policy comes through detailed scrutiny, discussion and analysis.

Explains why nearly every one of their policies hits the dirt as soon as it is introduced to the real world.

Genuinely frightening times.
 
There is a lot going on which smacks of fascism, not least Braverman’s attempts to make it next to impossible to challenge government actions through the courts.

They seem to think that any questioning of their policies or ideas should be quashed (and often be branded as ‘unpatriotic’, ‘lefty’ or ‘woke’), rather than realising that good, workable policy comes through detailed scrutiny, discussion and analysis.

Explains why nearly every one of their policies hits the dirt as soon as it is introduced to the real world.

Genuinely frightening times.

In judging these types I always think back to the barricades of Berlin in 1930. What side of the barricades would most of this lot be on?
 
There is a lot going on which smacks of fascism, not least Braverman’s attempts to make it next to impossible to challenge government actions through the courts.

They seem to think that any questioning of their policies or ideas should be quashed (and often be branded as ‘unpatriotic’, ‘lefty’ or ‘woke’), rather than realising that good, workable policy comes through detailed scrutiny, discussion and analysis.

Explains why nearly every one of their policies hits the dirt as soon as it is introduced to the real world.

Genuinely frightening times.
That hilarious video of Rishi bringing in boxes of EU regulations to be shredded is a perfect example. Performative nonsense that has no basis in reality. Similarly, if Truss actually carried through on her promises that would tip the UK from a cost of living/inflation crisis into something more akin to systemic breakdown. Foolish and dangerous in equal measure.
 
Find one quote, just one where Corbyn states a negative comment about the Jewish people, not the Israeli government, but the Jewish people.
Even someone capable of believing his kind of economic policies is too intelligent to say something like that out loud.

Judge people by their actions, not their words.
 
There is a lot going on which smacks of fascism, not least Braverman’s attempts to make it next to impossible to challenge government actions through the courts.
Surely the best solution to govt actions is an electoral one?

If the government are pushing policies that the public don't like, they won't get elected. If they continue to get elected then we have to accept, no matter how much we don't like those policies, that it's what the electorate wants.

You've only got to look as far as 'Murica to see what can happen when a court is the final arbiter of what the public wants the govt to do.
 
Got to sustain those billion pound profits somehow! Won’t somebody think of the executives and billionaire owners??
As I’ve said earlier in this thread . This will lead to people suffering this winter. Bleak times ahead in this country for some more so than others. The knock on effects it has don’t seem to be being discussed. NHS pressure , Crime , Suicide on and on.
 
Got to sustain those billion pound profits somehow! Won’t somebody think of the executives and billionaire owners??
It's OFGEM that sets those prices - can't blame the energy companies for that.

For comparison, I have to go to the market for large-scale gas and electric prices for my business, and the spot prices on gas have doubled since March, which was already triple the prices I was fixed at from a couple of years previously. Electricity had been a tenfold increase and has tripled since March.

Looks like consumers are getting off lightly.
 
It's OFGEM that sets those prices - can't blame the energy companies for that.

For comparison, I have to go to the market for large-scale gas and electric prices for my business, and the spot prices on gas have doubled since March, which was already triple the prices I was fixed at from a couple of years previously. Electricity had been a tenfold increase and has tripled since March.

Looks like consumers are getting off lightly.
What has driven such (massive) increases in the wholesale market.?..and don't just say Russia. (Which apparently we only have 5% exposure to. Is there a scramble?)

It's been a year now of volatile prices.
 
What has driven such (massive) increases in the wholesale market.?..and don't just say Russia. (Which apparently we only have 5% exposure to. Is there a scramble?)

It's been a year now of volatile prices.
The 2021 increase was the same post-COVID issue that has affected many commodities. Production slowed (and in many cases, stopped) during COVID, when demand suddenly increased - especially from China - there was a mismatch between supply and demand. The same happened with both aluminium and steel too.

Across Europe and the UK we haven't exactly helped ourselves either. Germany has shut (nearly) all of their nuclear power stations, France have got many of theirs stopped for repair - meaning they weren't ready to increase supply of electricity. This had a knock-on effect for gas as many countries use gas to create electricity. Our government has prematurely put a near end to North Sea exploration and fracking, before we are ready to produce non-fossil fuel alternatives. We've also not got nearly enough gas storage capacity so we're far more exposed to fluctuations.

All of this left the West heavily exposed to any supply side issues with gas and oil. Putin saw this as the perfect opportunity to attack Ukraine, at a time when Western governments would not be able to put proper sanctions in place. Supplies were low or empty and prices were at the peak of what the market deemed acceptable. Had Germany and the rest of the EU imposed sanctions properly and stopped buying Russian gas, this war would have been over long ago.

Although we only get 5% of our gas from Russia, all that we buy from elsewhere is subject to the same global pricing. There's less gas globally (amongst those countries trading openly) but the same demand.

Equally, the gas we produce here is subject to market rates. If we don't pay those rates in the UK, then those companies will sell it globally for more than we're offering.

We're also talking about 1, 2 or 3 year fixed rates. Those selling to us need to be sure that there's still a profit for them at the end of that contract. Until Ukraine, energy companies could fairly confidently predict future raw prices - even with the post-COVID bumps, now they can't. Russia threatening not to turn the gas back on to Germany was a big scare, already priced in when they didn't. That means they have to overprice now in order to avoid being stuck in contracts they have to fulfill at a loss.

We're a large energy user and when we tender the bids are very competitive. If we're paying prices like this then it's no surprise consumers are. If we fix now, our combined gas and electric increase for Q3/4 this year will be £250k. Next year, with a full year's increase, it will be £500k.
 
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Surely the best solution to govt actions is an electoral one?

If the government are pushing policies that the public don't like, they won't get elected. If they continue to get elected then we have to accept, no matter how much we don't like those policies, that it's what the electorate wants.

You've only got to look as far as 'Murica to see what can happen when a court is the final arbiter of what the public wants the govt to do.

Unfortunately we have two years of an unelected Truss government before that’s likely to happen.

If it seems bad now wait until that has unfolded.
 
Surely the best solution to govt actions is an electoral one?

If the government are pushing policies that the public don't like, they won't get elected. If they continue to get elected then we have to accept, no matter how much we don't like those policies, that it's what the electorate wants.

You've only got to look as far as 'Murica to see what can happen when a court is the final arbiter of what the public wants the govt to do.

The House of Commons represents something like 42% of the voting population. That hardly counts as representative in any way shape or form. The government itself represents something around about 27% or something of all voters. So to claim that that is what the 'electorate' want is a massive stretch. About 2/3rds of people who vote are not represented in our 'democracy'. ( I can't remember the exact figures as I did the calculations for all 650 constituencies after the 2019 'landslide' but it is definitely less than a half and just over a 1/3rd in government if you count SNP voters and Welsh Labour as government).

To claim a mandate, a manifesto, a 'will of the people' on such basic numbers is bare-faced snake oil selling, be it the obvious product of our system.

The court shouldn't be the arbiter of what the government should do, but it should also be free and independent and strong enough to hold the government to legal account (which the baby fascists CCHQ are trying to curtail).
 
The House of Commons represents something like 42% of the voting population. That hardly counts as representative in any way shape or form. The government itself represents something around about 27% or something of all voters. So to claim that that is what the 'electorate' want is a massive stretch. About 2/3rds of people who vote are not represented in our 'democracy'. ( I can't remember the exact figures as I did the calculations for all 650 constituencies after the 2019 'landslide' but it is definitely less than a half and just over a 1/3rd in government if you count SNP voters and Welsh Labour as government).

To claim a mandate, a manifesto, a 'will of the people' on such basic numbers is bare-faced snake oil selling, be it the obvious product of our system.

The court shouldn't be the arbiter of what the government should do, but it should also be free and independent and strong enough to hold the government to legal account (which the baby fascists CCHQ are trying to curtail).
You really can't count those who don't vote in your numbers - they void their opinion when they choose not to have a say.

If the government's actions are such that they don't like them, those people can make a change at any election they choose. What's happening here is people who didn't get their result at the election wanting to control those who did win whilst out of power. That's straight out of the Republican playbook and that's turning out really poorly across the Atlantic.
 
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