If they don't like it, they should get another job.
Extortion is never the answer.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Extortion is never the answer.
At least they'll be warm in prison
Can’t be sent to prison for not paying energy bills .
What if they get taken to court for recovery and still refuse to pay?
Surely the end result has to have some threat.
I have no idea how they deal with it. Whilst we are still in the ECHR it won’t be prison .
So they don't pay, they get taken to court for what they owe, they don't pay, they get held in contempt of court.
If they still don't pay then the result is prison. Or is there something special about energy companies that means they cannot take people who owe them money to court?
I don’t know the particulars but in this country you can’t go to prison for it.
It’s a civil debt. Not criminal.
Child maintence , Council Tax, criminal fines and business rates are criminal debts that can lead to prison.
All others are civil debt. I’m sure there is court but no prison. If you had a non payment on mass how would they even deal with it . Would take ages to chase that debt. If people stopped direct debits and just made a monthly payment of what they could afford they are still trying to pay so it probably would not get to claims court.
For some people sadly there will be no choice. Pay Energy company’s or feed your children. Wild we are here in 2022 .
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Civil contempt is still a thing isn't it? Or have the bedwetters had that stopped?
If so, refusing to pay what a court has ordered would lead to civil contempt. That could (and should) result in a prison sentence.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Dean Richards
Absolutely.
It’s incoherent for the Tories to be constantly banging on about “5th highest GDP in the world”, and “world-leading this” and “global leaders in that” but untold swathes of the population will be in fuel poverty shortly.
Meanwhile the broken logic of their position is laid bare as the two leadership hopefuls trash their own record of the last 12 years. And more: they tell us the only people that can fix it are the same that broke it.
If it were ever true, the notion that the Tories are economically responsible is shot. They’re now the party of ideological zealotry, governing for the benefit of the 1%.
They want a “high-wage, high skills” economy, but when the workers just want parity with inflation, so not even a real terms rise they’re all against it.
I am indeed.
Nice to hear the F the Tories song ringing out at the community shield match yesterday. Hopefully it’ll be sung across the country.
I have no idea Scara.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
I also have no idea what non-payment could lead to in terms of punishment, but is there a risk that at some point there would be a default noted on your credit record? I think missed payments can be noted without there having to be a court judgement (but I'm not wholly sure on that, and that might just be for loans). Granted if you are in a 'heat or eat' situation that's probably the least of your worries now but it could cause you problems in years to come.
If you have difficulties paying your bills, speak to your energy company about a different payment plan and take advice e.g. CAB (especially if you are having to prioritise which bills to pay first).
I totally understand why people might do this, desperate people will do desperate things. But just make sure you understand the longer term impact of doing anything other than a short-term protest.
And yes, it is ridiculous - no, it is shameful - that this is where we are in 2022.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Desperate people will already be on prepayment meters, so can’t really take part. The campaign is hoping for solidarity from people who have reasonable credit ratings.
They are quite right that if a million people withheld payment, all punitive mechanisms would be overloaded, just as they were with poll tax refuseniks. However, they will only hit this target if they manage to preserve a coalition of trots, anarchists, poujadists, anti-vaxxers and any other disaffected soul who has ever waved a placard around. That looks doubtful.
They are quite right that if a million people withheld payment, all punitive mechanisms would be overloaded, just as they were with poll tax refuseniks. However, they will only hit this target if they manage to preserve a coalition of trots, anarchists, poujadists, anti-vaxxers and any other disaffected soul who has ever waved a placard around. That looks doubtful.
I would think it’s a certainty it would affect your credit rating. I saw the movement online a few days back and it’s been gathering pace.
Personally not something I’d do as want to keep my finances in the black. The thing is I can totally understand why people are leaning towards it.
As an act of civil disobedience I’m not sure how effective it is but I suppose the threat of it seems appealing. Can’t see it being another poll tax moment.
With all the strikes and cost of living stuff at the moment I fear a bleak winter in this country.
ricky2tricky4city
Jack Jull
We can all afford £2 a week, if that's the offering, it will be accepted and you won't be going to prison.
ricky2tricky4city
Jack Jull
I have a feeling such groups won't need people to sign up who can actually afford to pay to support their cause. There will ,imo, be enough people the actually can't pay to swell their numbers into a substantial vocal collective that will have a heavy air of desperation to their message and actions.
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MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Aren't most direct debit payments an estimate based on previous bills, which may help some people budget monthly for quarterly bills? But in effect can be over estimates and also create cash flow for the recipients as paid in advance until the bill is due. I wonder if the idea was cancel on 1 October and keep the cash until the quarterly bill comes in end of Dec / beginning of Jan? Also think a small discount is offered by paying by dd.
Maybe this isn't the case for smart meters, perhaps with costs and profits as they are, we can legislate energy companies must bill all meter types monthly, creating some new jobs in the process?
In terms of credit rating, if recorded by the company each month delay is recorded, so 1, 2 etc. If memory serves a default can be recorded as a rating of 8, then next step is legal so ccj, bailiff etc. I think even in the case if default energy companies are not allowed to cease supply unless another supplier takes over, which is when the prepay meters get installed.
Maybe this isn't the case for smart meters, perhaps with costs and profits as they are, we can legislate energy companies must bill all meter types monthly, creating some new jobs in the process?
In terms of credit rating, if recorded by the company each month delay is recorded, so 1, 2 etc. If memory serves a default can be recorded as a rating of 8, then next step is legal so ccj, bailiff etc. I think even in the case if default energy companies are not allowed to cease supply unless another supplier takes over, which is when the prepay meters get installed.
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monkeybarry
Ian Walker
So the court doesn't hold them in contempt if they don't pay? Seems strange.
