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The New Next New Manager Thread

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...e-spurs-courting-one-best-business-will-work/

Some nice points in this piece.

I'll paste it in case some cannot access:

For too long, too many Tottenham Hotspur players have had an excuse. Things had become stale under Mauricio Pochettino. Jose Mourinho was past his best. Nuno Espirito Santo was never good enough. Rightly or wrongly, these were all reasons the club’s under-performers could point to as soon as results dipped or things started to get tough over the past two years or so. But, now, with Antonio Conte coming in to replace Nuno, the excuses have been stripped away and if the players fail again then, this time, there can be no debate: it will be on them.

There are no doubts over his relevance or his ability to get his teams over the line and there can certainly be no questioning Conte’s pedigree. He’s made the best even better and won everywhere he’s been.

Just ask Romelu Lukaku, who became a world-class striker under Conte; or Cesc Fabregas, who admitted the Italian took his game to a place he did not believe it could go; or Leonardo Bonucci, who credits Conte with changing the path of his career. This list goes on.

And if any of the Tottenham players are in any doubt about how things will be under Conte, they need only refer to an interview he did with Thierry Henry, who was a team-mate of the former midfielder at Juventus.

“I always talk about education and respect,” said Conte. “I demand this. I give this. But I demand this. And if someone hasn’t a good attitude in the training session or good behaviour in different circumstances, I prefer to kill him.”

Players do not have to like Conte, certainly not at first, to prosper under him. Fabregas was unhappy with being initially rotated and dropped after the 52-year-old arrived at Chelsea and demanded he cover more ground. But the Spaniard was clever enough to quickly realise that it was Conte’s way or no way at all for him at Stamford Bridge and now claims he became a player he did not know he could be under the former Italy manager. Fabregas was an integral part of Conte’s Premier League-winning Chelsea team, providing assist after assist for Diego Costa who was famously told he could leave the club by text message.

Costa had been Chelsea’s top scorer, but, having tried to force a January move to China, the striker was no longer trusted as a man Conte could rely upon. Would Harry Kane have been so bold to extend his summer holiday had Conte, rather than Nuno, been in charge at the time? Unlikely, one would have thought.

If the environment has been a little too cosy for a few at Tottenham over recent years, then they can expect a nasty shock - no matter their name or profile.

A combustible character, Conte’s relationship with chairman Daniel Levy, who has generally backed his players over his managers, will be fascinating.

But there is another lesson to be learned from Conte’s time at Chelsea that would suggest that he and Levy will not be fighting running battles - not at first at least. During Conte’s first and most successful year in charge of Chelsea, he had Michael Emenalo, the club’s technical director at the time and a man who holds a degree in international relations and diplomacy, to sound off to. One of Conte’s regrets from his time in West London was that, at first, he did not fully trust Emenalo, who eventually became an important peacekeeper between the head coach and the board.

It was after Emenalo’s departure that Conte’s relationship with certain figures at Chelsea became more strained and Fabio Paratici’s position at Tottenham could be key. Paratici and Conte have already worked together at Juventus and their relationship was a vital factor in Tottenham’s latest approach. As the managing director of football, it is Paratici’s responsibility to deal with the club’s head coach on a day-to-day basis.

Conte’s door will no doubt be open to Levy, but it is Paratici who is likely to have daily access to the head coach and attempt to meet his transfer-window demands.

There is a myth pushed by Conte’s critics that he is a chequebook manager who relies on big-money signings. He undoubtedly demands and asks for the best, but he also makes the very best of what he has.

At Chelsea, Marcos Alonso was signed under the radar and became one of the best specialist left wing-backs in the game, while Victor Moses, a player largely ignored at Chelsea, prospered in a new position at right wing-back. His handling of John Terry’s final year and David Luiz’s return to the club was also masterly. Tottenham players will be given chances and it is up to them to take them, rather than moan about favouritism or a squad hierarchy.

Whereas supporters were never convinced by the appointment of Nuno, and Mourinho split opinion, there is a sense that Conte represents a genuine coup for Tottenham at a time when it appeared hard to see who might want to take on the task.

Other than Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, Conte is the only man this decade to coach a team past the 90-point mark in the Premier League and, unlike the Spaniard and the German, he managed to win the title at his first attempt.

That achievement perhaps remains underestimated and yet Tottenham could yet provide Conte with his biggest challenge to date. But it is the reputation of the players and not the serial winner that is now on the line.
 
So weirdly enough today at work I was talking to a Chelsea season ticket holder about the weekends football, when the news broke that we had sacked Nuno. Then we were discussing who would be the next manager and Conte`s name came up. He reckons that apart from wanting a pile of cash to spend one of his pluses(according to said Chelsea fan) was that he got players playing to their strengths. He used Victor Moses and David Luiz as examples. So perhaps there is hope for the likes of Bergwijn and Sanchez if he takes over!!
 
Was talking to a mate
I do wonder if Conte can now see that we haven’t sold Kane and have actually added some quality players so are showing the intent that maybe was missing in our chats with him
Was also thinking our new guy fit his tactics.
 
I am hoping to see about 3 new pages on this thread with confirmation of a done deal by the time I get home from work in an hour or so
 
I think all it's done is mean we'll get Conte and they'll get Poch (later), whereas if we'd beaten them it would have been the other way round

That would be a good thing. I don’t want to see Poch back until at least 5 more years have gone by.
 
We are not announcing a new manager today. Will be tomorrow morning. At the earliest, I reckon. Announcing on the same day you let the other one go is a bit disrespectful IMO. Allow a day at least.

Looking forward to the email telling us about it and saying tickets are still available for Thursday!
 
or too long, too many Tottenham Hotspur players have had an excuse. Things had become stale under Mauricio Pochettino. Jose Mourinho was past his best. Nuno Espirito Santo was never good enough.

Rightly or wrongly, these were all reasons the club’s under-performers could point to as soon as results dipped or things started to get tough over the past two years or so.

But, now, with Antonio Conte coming in to replace Nuno, the excuses have been stripped away and if the players fail again then, this time, there can be no debate: it will be on them.

There are no doubts over his relevance or his ability to get his teams over the line and there can certainly be no questioning Conte’s pedigree. He’s made the best even better and won everywhere he’s been.

Just ask Romelu Lukaku, who became a world-class striker under Conte; or Cesc Fabregas, who admitted the Italian took his game to a place he did not believe it could go; or Leonardo Bonucci, who credits Conte with changing the path of his career. This list goes on.

And if any of the Tottenham players are in any doubt about how things will be under Conte, they need only refer to an interview he did with Thierry Henry, who was a team-mate of the former midfielder at Juventus.

“I always talk about education and respect,” said Conte. “I demand this. I give this. But I demand this. And if someone hasn’t a good attitude in the training session or good behaviour in different circumstances, I prefer to kill him.”

Players do not have to like Conte, certainly not at first, to prosper under him. Fabregas was unhappy with being initially rotated and dropped after the 52-year-old arrived at Chelsea and demanded he cover more ground.

But the Spaniard was clever enough to quickly realise that it was Conte’s way or no way at all for him at Stamford Bridge and now claims he became a player he did not know he could be under the former Italy manager.

Fabregas was an integral part of Conte’s Premier League-winning Chelsea team, providing assist after assist for Diego Costa who was famously told he could leave the club by text message.

Costa had been Chelsea’s top scorer, but, having tried to force a January move to China, the striker was no longer trusted as a man Conte could rely upon. Would Harry Kane have been so bold to extend his summer holiday had Conte, rather than Nuno, been in charge at the time? Unlikely, one would have thought.

If the environment has been a little too cosy for a few at Tottenham over recent years, then they can expect a nasty shock - no matter their name or profile.

A combustible character, Conte’s relationship with chairman Daniel Levy, who has generally backed his players over his managers, will be fascinating.

But there is another lesson to be learned from Conte’s time at Chelsea that would suggest that he and Levy will not be fighting running battles - not at first at least.

During Conte’s first and most successful year in charge of Chelsea, he had Michael Emenalo, the club’s technical director at the time and a man who holds a degree in international relations and diplomacy, to sound off to.

One of Conte’s regrets from his time in West London was that, at first, he did not fully trust Emenalo, who eventually became an important peacekeeper between the head coach and the board.

It was after Emenalo’s departure that Conte’s relationship with certain figures at Chelsea became more strained and Fabio Paratici’s position at Tottenham could be key.

Paratici and Conte have already worked together at Juventus and their relationship was a vital factor in Tottenham’s latest approach. As the managing director of football, it is Paratici’s responsibility to deal with the club’s head coach on a day-to-day basis.

Conte’s door will no doubt be open to Levy, but it is Paratici who is likely to have daily access to the head coach and attempt to meet his transfer-window demands.

There is a myth pushed by Conte’s critics that he is a chequebook manager who relies on big-money signings. He undoubtedly demands and asks for the best, but he also makes the very best of what he has.

At Chelsea, Marcos Alonso was signed under the radar and became one of the best specialist left wing-backs in the game, while Victor Moses, a player largely ignored at Chelsea, prospered in a new position at right wing-back. His handling of John Terry’s final year and David Luiz’s return to the club was also masterly. Tottenham players will be given chances and it is up to them to take them, rather than moan about favouritism or a squad hierarchy.

Whereas supporters were never convinced by the appointment of Nuno, and Mourinho split opinion, there is a sense that Conte represents a genuine coup for Tottenham at a time when it appeared hard to see who might want to take on the task.

Other than Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, Conte is the only man this decade to coach a team past the 90-point mark in the Premier League and, unlike the Spaniard and the German, he managed to win the title at his first attempt.

That achievement perhaps remains underestimated and yet Tottenham could yet provide Conte with his biggest challenge to date. But it is the reputation of the players and not the serial winner that is now on the line.
 
or too long, too many Tottenham Hotspur players have had an excuse. Things had become stale under Mauricio Pochettino. Jose Mourinho was past his best. Nuno Espirito Santo was never good enough.

Rightly or wrongly, these were all reasons the club’s under-performers could point to as soon as results dipped or things started to get tough over the past two years or so.

But, now, with Antonio Conte coming in to replace Nuno, the excuses have been stripped away and if the players fail again then, this time, there can be no debate: it will be on them.

There are no doubts over his relevance or his ability to get his teams over the line and there can certainly be no questioning Conte’s pedigree. He’s made the best even better and won everywhere he’s been.

Just ask Romelu Lukaku, who became a world-class striker under Conte; or Cesc Fabregas, who admitted the Italian took his game to a place he did not believe it could go; or Leonardo Bonucci, who credits Conte with changing the path of his career. This list goes on.

And if any of the Tottenham players are in any doubt about how things will be under Conte, they need only refer to an interview he did with Thierry Henry, who was a team-mate of the former midfielder at Juventus.

“I always talk about education and respect,” said Conte. “I demand this. I give this. But I demand this. And if someone hasn’t a good attitude in the training session or good behaviour in different circumstances, I prefer to kill him.”

Players do not have to like Conte, certainly not at first, to prosper under him. Fabregas was unhappy with being initially rotated and dropped after the 52-year-old arrived at Chelsea and demanded he cover more ground.

But the Spaniard was clever enough to quickly realise that it was Conte’s way or no way at all for him at Stamford Bridge and now claims he became a player he did not know he could be under the former Italy manager.

Fabregas was an integral part of Conte’s Premier League-winning Chelsea team, providing assist after assist for Diego Costa who was famously told he could leave the club by text message.

Costa had been Chelsea’s top scorer, but, having tried to force a January move to China, the striker was no longer trusted as a man Conte could rely upon. Would Harry Kane have been so bold to extend his summer holiday had Conte, rather than Nuno, been in charge at the time? Unlikely, one would have thought.

If the environment has been a little too cosy for a few at Tottenham over recent years, then they can expect a nasty shock - no matter their name or profile.

A combustible character, Conte’s relationship with chairman Daniel Levy, who has generally backed his players over his managers, will be fascinating.

But there is another lesson to be learned from Conte’s time at Chelsea that would suggest that he and Levy will not be fighting running battles - not at first at least.

During Conte’s first and most successful year in charge of Chelsea, he had Michael Emenalo, the club’s technical director at the time and a man who holds a degree in international relations and diplomacy, to sound off to.

One of Conte’s regrets from his time in West London was that, at first, he did not fully trust Emenalo, who eventually became an important peacekeeper between the head coach and the board.

It was after Emenalo’s departure that Conte’s relationship with certain figures at Chelsea became more strained and Fabio Paratici’s position at Tottenham could be key.

Paratici and Conte have already worked together at Juventus and their relationship was a vital factor in Tottenham’s latest approach. As the managing director of football, it is Paratici’s responsibility to deal with the club’s head coach on a day-to-day basis.

Conte’s door will no doubt be open to Levy, but it is Paratici who is likely to have daily access to the head coach and attempt to meet his transfer-window demands.

There is a myth pushed by Conte’s critics that he is a chequebook manager who relies on big-money signings. He undoubtedly demands and asks for the best, but he also makes the very best of what he has.

At Chelsea, Marcos Alonso was signed under the radar and became one of the best specialist left wing-backs in the game, while Victor Moses, a player largely ignored at Chelsea, prospered in a new position at right wing-back. His handling of John Terry’s final year and David Luiz’s return to the club was also masterly. Tottenham players will be given chances and it is up to them to take them, rather than moan about favouritism or a squad hierarchy.

Whereas supporters were never convinced by the appointment of Nuno, and Mourinho split opinion, there is a sense that Conte represents a genuine coup for Tottenham at a time when it appeared hard to see who might want to take on the task.

Other than Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, Conte is the only man this decade to coach a team past the 90-point mark in the Premier League and, unlike the Spaniard and the German, he managed to win the title at his first attempt.

That achievement perhaps remains underestimated and yet Tottenham could yet provide Conte with his biggest challenge to date. But it is the reputation of the players and not the serial winner that is now on the line.

Agree with almost every word of that. (Just disagree about Nuno never being good enough)

I think our club is struggling to understand our place in the game. I think we appointed Nuno thinking we could go back to the start of the Poch cycle, but the club has changed. We pay proper wages, have a decent squad, and have players with opinions. We aren’t quite there at Chelsea / City / United level of spending power, but the dynamics of our club have changed.

I’m sure Paratici apologised sincerely to Nuno for bringing him in to this. And I hope the quick change is the recognition by someone obsessed with the game that his initial read on the club was wrong. It’s not about hiring a father figure this time, it’s about hiring someone who demands more, and can win. Conte is very special in that sense - I can’t think of another manager with his demanding style that yet doesn’t quite need the absolute most money to make it work. He has respect and pedigree, but he’s the guy that everything revolves around, not the money in and of itself.

So I think for where we are right now, we need him. These players need a shock. I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes
 
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