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Spurs & Covid

scaramanga said:
This is where simplistic rules like the ones we have don't work.

My parents can look after my children twice a week but I can't spend time with them (according to the rules).

My kids can spend all day in a classroom with their friends but we can't spend time with their parents.

I can sit in a boardroom all day with someone but our families can't socialise.

If those players are already in a bubble with those family members and are spending a few days a week in training together, there's little to no point in keeping their families apart.

Now if someone's going to make the "Every rule is sacred" argument and then live their lives to that standard, good for you. I, personally, don't think that kind of attitude is in any way compatible with modern life. But the chances are we all pick and choose the rules we abide by and that all comes from a judgement call on risk. The additional risk of those families meeting when they're already mixing through the players is very low.
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Three things.

1) within your own club/squad? I see the sense behind the argument 100%. Intermingling with others from other clubs? Now it gets a bit trickier don't you think? Unless the idea of working bubbles I stupid to you in the first place.

2) they are paid extremely well to do a job. In the current climate, that job is to play football and train within strict parameters aka the bubble. It is a condition of their current employment. I do not personally look to footballers for my moral compass, however many do. I'd be intrigued to know how you feel things such as multi-club social gatherings -whether some sex party in a hotel or a Christmas gathering- is helpful in the current climate.

3) The school/child rules are ridiculous and inconsistent, however it is painfully clear the governments in several countries have roostered up royally. I agree, those standards are ridiculous.
 
scaramanga said:
I'm saying the vast majority of people think it's ok to break the law as they do it all the time.

Only reason this is different is the kinds of people prone to panic have got themselves in a flap over it.
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So should we conclude that only those who do not give a fudge and willingly break the rules when it suits them with zero compliance in any regard are the only ones who whinge on about the general condemnation of actions such as these? I suppose so...
 
scaramanga said:
I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, just that we all do.

Which means we all decide which rules suit us and which ones don't. Those footballers did just that.
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Grays_1890 said:
Like indoor cricket, using the gym, coach travel up and down the country, flights using hotels etc? Are games played at a social distance or in masks? Trusting that the time they tested that it is accurate and players have not picked up the virus in between?

Point is the game being played smacks in the face of whats going on in the real world, if you are really going to be hyper critical. Maybe players believe their lives are being risked in the name of the game and decided to take the same calculated risk on their own terms aka everyone tested negative

End of the day my point is, I am not going to hammer them for a mistake when they are being asked to risk theirs and their family health for our entertainment regardless of protocols which are not 400% full proof.
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You've never entered a "work bubble" I can see.
I have.
Twice.
Run under NBA rules/conditions. Tested once every three days and literally bussed to and from the "site" with all food handled by others also within your bubble. I'd suggest that football is running along the same protocols.
 
thfcsteff said:
Three things.

1) within your own club/squad? I see the sense behind the argument 400%. Intermingling with others from other clubs? Now it gets a bit trickier don't you think? Unless the idea of working bubbles I stupid to you in the first place.

2) they are paid extremely well to do a job. In the current climate, that job is to play football and train within strict parameters aka the bubble. It is a condition of their current employment. I do not personally look to footballers for my moral compass, however many do. I'd be intrigued to know how you feel things such as multi-club social gatherings -whether some sex party in a hotel or a Christmas gathering- is helpful in the current climate.

3) The school/child rules are ridiculous and inconsistent, however it is painfully clear the governments in several countries have roostered up royally. I agree, those standards are ridiculous.
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1) There's never an excuse to mix with West Hams.
2) What they do in their private lives is their choice. There's a punishment for doing this - one I was willing to accept if required to see my family at Christmas. I'm sure players feel the same.
 
thfcsteff said:
You've never entered a "work bubble" I can see.
I have.
Twice.
Run under NBA rules/conditions. Tested once every three days and non-figuratively bussed to and from the "site" with all food handled by others also within your bubble. I'd suggest that football is running along the same protocols.
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Not sure about the players but I know their families go wherever, whenever they want.
 
scaramanga said:
1) There's never an excuse to mix with West Hams.
2) What they do in their private lives is their choice. There's a punishment for doing this - one I was willing to accept if required to see my family at Christmas. I'm sure a few of the players feel the same.
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Not so sure this is accurate.
Again, the bubbles I was part of required signing certain agreements. Now, as we know, agreements are largely only worth the paper they're written on/the standard of legal representation one can afford should that worth be challenged...but it does signal who falls on what side of the "respect" line.

I also corrected part of your statement. It''s wonderful that they're "prepared to accept the punishment" but it doesn't address the greater issues of respect for both the situation, rules and club mates. It would be very interesting to hear what the likes of Kane think about this. He's just had a new baby, I very much doubt he would be interested in taking even a minute shift in further risk.
 
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Once again this episode is further proof of how football (and professional sport) operates in own bubble (no pun intended!). You simply cannot apply the same rules from 'normal business' to football - what might be deemed 'gross misconduct' aka a sackable offence is most other industries just doesn't apply in this world.
We could be here for the rest of time debating whether this is right or wrong so must conclude that is just different and thus THFC will act differently to its employees (aka its 'assets') behave compared to how Tesco/Barclays Bank/Essex CC would.
 
scaramanga said:
They spend time with their wives anyway though. So if they're going to catch it from them it's far more likely they will on a normal day than at a party.
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Doesn’t look like just their wives at the party though?.... Unless each of them has multiple wives and some of them are VERY butch (and having been to Argentina I can confirm that the woman are anything but).
 
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scaramanga said:
The test at the training ground won't pick anything up immediately.

He'll have a few days of spending a lot of time with other players before anything shows.
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The lateral flow tests pick up the virus pretty much immediately.... They are notorious for false positives however.
scaramanga said:
1) There's never an excuse to mix with West Hams.
2) What they do in their private lives is their choice. There's a punishment for doing this - one I was willing to accept if required to see my family at Christmas. I'm sure players feel the same.
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What about Christmas was so special that you had to see your family Scara?
 
Finney Is Back said:
The lateral flow tests pick up the virus pretty much immediately.... They are notorious for false positives however.

What about Christmas was so special that you had to see your family Scara?
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Nothing, wasn't any different to most other days for us.

But we're talking about people having Christmas parties.
 
Sick to death of hearing overpaid, overhyped players saying how sorry they are for breaking the rules. All the players are told the rules yet some of them think it does not matter and its ok for them to party.

I know most players are thick but they are taking the tinkle.
 
As someone who lost their Mother in October and then tested positive for COVID 5 days after being "allowed" to say goodbye to her in hospital 24 hours before she died, the lack of respect shown by some people for others p!sses me off a bit. Not just these 3, but kids partying, blokes that think they're hard and rules don't apply to them, people that think it's ok not to wear a mask in a shop etc. etc. The vast majority of the population are making an effort, some are going above and beyond. Those that aren't should suffer the consequences. Unfortunately, there's a good chance they won't but somebody else will.

I for one genuinely worry if I'll be able to have a beer again with some of the people normally around me, if and when I eventually get back to my seat in the South Stand. Lamela, Lo Celso and Reguilon don't appear to have the same concerns :rolleyes:
 
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