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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Starmer absolutely tearing the govt apart in PMQs, raising the issue of tory contracts handed out to friends, wasted money on dodgy contracts etc.

And for what? Tomorrow the Tory Papers will ignore it all for their chums in Govt and Momentum are still trying to bring Starmer down to lead to a utopian party that will never actually get elected into power. Wonderful.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Does anyone have that? I will avoid whataboutisms and take a broad stroke then and suggest that any country has its pitfalls in how its run. If you was to score the world you would Must try harder
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No, not really. Everyone must try harder for sure, some more than others. But where I was totally despondent not long ago for a variety of reasons, the rise of right wing populism, the climate crisis not being taken seriously enough, now I am very hopeful. I feel a corner has been turned in the last few months in particular and momentum towards illiberalism reversed.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
No I do not.

But if the law were to change so I paid more I would. The needs to be a change in the law. For the type of society I want to live in with more police on the street better education and health services, if I were rightly asked to pay a higher percentage of tax I would.

I do not believe everything should be done for the cheapest possible price the whole time and I dont think we should bow down to companies who dont pay a fair share of tax.
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And if the laws change so that Amazon have to pay more, then so will they.

Not sure what your issue is with Amazon.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I am not a tax expert but is it not a fine line for this kind of thing? Ireland for example was on its backside after joining the Euro, when I went out there back in the day to visit clients in Dun Laoghaire the economy was shocking. They then gave favorable tax terms to the Facebooks, Googles and Fintech companies which turned the country into what they started to refer to as a silicon valley and the knock on effect you see today is clear. So you have to be competitive to attract organisations which then offer jobs which in turn has it employees pay tax which goes back into the economy which keeps the cogs turning whilst also giving areas an chance to revitalize which I have seen in the likes of Tilbury for example which has seen better investment in the area and more organisation entering the arena?
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Precisely.

It's why low corporation tax (especially on multinationals) is a good idea. Many of our neighbours are expensive places to be in business, in a global economy we can compete for that business.
 
Diamond Lights said:
a lot being made on Tax, i'd chip in a bit more if i knew it was going to the right causes and places.

However, don't tell me to chip more tax in, or that we can't feed kids in schools, when we are spending Billions on things like Trident. That's what fudges me off. All so the UK can have a dingdong measuring contest with other nations to act like big boys. A deterrent? fudge that.
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At least with Trident you have a submarine to show for it. How can this government have spent £15,000,000,000 on face masks? Is that the right amount of zeros for 15b?

We'll all be paying more tax. Less capital gains breaks for @scaramanga - not a traditional Tory government - and lower expenditure for everyone else too.
 
Do you know one of my biggest gripes in Politics? Religion.

Specifically the use of religion to defend a politicans actions. You see this often in the US and UK, often lauded as defenders of (mainly) Christianity by the right wing media.

Rees-Mogg for example has often brought up his Christian upbringing for his views on certain things, abortion, homosexuality etc. That's fine, i understand that you've been guided by religion for your personal beliefs. It's the fact that you then pick and choose with of those beliefs to follow from the Bible, and ignore the others (feeding the poor, hungry etc).

Really fudges me off. So many articles written fawning over Rees-Mogg from right wing christian news outlets, that simply pick the parts they like and ignore the others. As mentioned, exactly the same in the US. Pro-lifers for abortion but don't care about people dying etc.

Was just thinking about this based on Archbishop of Canterbury's views posted just now:

The Archbishop of Canterbury has made his views known about the chancellor's announcement to cut overseas aid down from 0.7% of national income to 0.5%.

Taking to Twitter, Justin Welby said: "The cut in the aid budget - made worse by no set date for restoration - is shameful and wrong.

"It’s contrary to numerous government promises and its manifesto."

He says he urges MPs to "reject it for the good of the poorest, and the UK’s own reputation and interest".
 
Grays_1890 said:
I am not a tax expert but is it not a fine line for this kind of thing? Ireland for example was on its backside after joining the Euro, when I went out there back in the day to visit clients in Dun Laoghaire the economy was shocking. They then gave favorable tax terms to the Facebooks, Googles and Fintech companies which turned the country into what they started to refer to as a silicon valley and the knock on effect you see today is clear. So you have to be competitive to attract organisations which then offer jobs which in turn has it employees pay tax which goes back into the economy which keeps the cogs turning whilst also giving areas an chance to revitalize which I have seen in the likes of Tilbury for example which has seen better investment in the area and more organisation entering the arena?
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But on the flipside at what cost? The Irish government were voted out in favour of Sinn Fein (technically one of the 2 main parties didn't get a majority vote share so they're still in power) because in large all that globalisation had caused huge increases in house prices making many areas unaffordable and a big strain on public services due to the rise in growth. So many Irish would argue it's not been good for them at all.
 
nayenezgani said:
This is the thing, people like @scaramanga say those who work hard and 'earn' what's there's should keep it. He's not wrong. But there's this stringent, poisonous attitude of 'what's mine is fudging mine, fudge off socialists' that exists among so many who think they're wealthy and at risk of having all their wordly possessions taken and redistributed.

The idea of having a basic living wage isn't going to take money from people earning less than many hundreds of thousands of pounds, if you can't live on 100k+ well you need to have a real re-think.

It's companies, institutions and individuals that hoard obscene wealth that need to contribute to making society more equal and fair. I'm talking billionaires, military spending, police.. I could go on.

The fact governments are willing to spend more money on tanks and guns, in a period without major war, is a clear highlighting of the issue. It would take a minor slice of that money to actually help people. No child should go hungry, no one should be homeless.

There's so little empathy in many of us and it's really, really sad. But while we're distracted and desperate to keep 'what's ours,' pitted against each other, those in power can keep handing contracts to their billioniare buddies and fudge the rest of us in silence.
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Said it way better (and probably calmer!) than I would have, appreciate you taking the time to write it.

I feel like I could be coming off as a Scara fanboy of late but there’s a lot of fundamentals that we’d disagree on for sure


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
 
Diamond Lights said:
Then people vote Tory and get cuts in policing, education, health, then spend their time complaining about police, education, and health.
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I'm not sure if the traditional tory voter complains about policing, more criminals.

My take on our political history in this country is labour spend a bit to much money but the country tends to be more equal. A recession pops up people vote conservative to bring it under control, they dont do enough making society equal so people vote in Labour again.
 
P.D. said:
But on the flipside at what cost? The Irish government were voted out in favour of Sinn Fein (technically one of the 2 main parties didn't get a majority vote share so they're still in power) because in large all that globalisation had caused huge increases in house prices making many areas unaffordable and a big strain on public services due to the rise in growth. So many Irish would argue it's not been good for them at all.
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Yeh its a balance they have lost I agree but before they did anything you could not give property in Dublin away and unemployment was at an all time high. High housing costs are a far better problem to have than what they had previously and can be addressed. Public services have the ability to improve alot more under a buoyant society than one that is skint. I am not saying its a perfect system but going back to my previous posts no such society exists. But all countries incentivise companies to work within their borders. Their are free zones all over the planet, some countries are more brazen and give up front cash to bring their companies to their shores, some do it illegally, some give off the back end kick backs, its the way of the world.

I am not saying for one moment there can not be a better balance BTW
 
So everyone is satisfied knowing that their tax money is being siphoned off by the Tories spiv mates and they are profiting out of the nation's misery? A new term has been especially coined for it... Catastrophe Capitalism.
 
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So everyone is satisfied knowing that their tax money is being siphoned off by the Tories spiv mates and they are profiting out of the nation's misery? A new term has been especially coined for it... Catastrophe Capitalism.
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Which is why governments taking our money is always a bad thing.
 
Morning all.

In today's "Tory handing out contracts to mates with no experience" click here

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Gilzeantoscore said:
So everyone is satisfied knowing that their tax money is being siphoned off by the Tories spiv mates and they are profiting out of the nation's misery? A new term has been especially coined for it... Catastrophe Capitalism.
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Based on the relatively healthy discussion that's taken place over the last few pages, you'll see most are entirely unhappy with tax money being used this way.
 
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