Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[thfcsteff]

Sure, they're probably very different people, mate. But all the same, I don't think we'd be wise to expect Poch to stay around just because that's what he looks like he's going to do given his understated nature, hard work so far and relative decency as a person. We've been in it before, and a lot of us loved 'Arry and didn't think he'd go anywhere: we thought he'd reached the pinnacle of his career here with us, and thus his lust for the England job came as even more of a shock. In that sense, Poch is even more of an unknown, because he's a young manager on the up: he has a way up to go yet, and if he keeps at it, we won't be the biggest club on his CV, not by a long shot. Hence the wariness.



Yep, that's what I suspect is the case as well. Still, never hurts to be aware of possibilities, no matter how dim they might seem at present.

Mate. Honestly. Live a little. Don't be wary or scared. Enjoy the ride. ;-)

 

[DubaiSpur]

Mate. Honestly. Live a little. Don't be wary or scared. Enjoy the ride. ;-)

I lived once. It didn't suit me.

If anyone thought that of Redknapp they'd have to be pretty naive.

A lot of us did, though. 'Why would he leave us for the dumpy England job when we're the best side he's ever managed?', that sort of thing. It was all over the messageboards at the time.

Not worried about Madrid. Much more worried about Abramovich and Chel53a when he gets tired of the Mourinho circus. He has not a lot of options left.

Nah, I think they'll wait for Rafa to be sacked and then just take him on as an interim replacement. Worked before, why not try it again?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Poch is way too young to be an international coach. It's where coaches go when they get sick of being on the training pitch in the cold. Poch is very hands-on at the moment

 

[milo]

I'm not sure that Poch's methods would work with cheque book management and at a club with established stars.

If he was to leave us it would need to be to a bigger club with more money but one that doesn't demand instant success. That's got me stumped.

 

[BucurestiSpur]

I've had a wait and see attitude to Pochettino since his name was first mentioned as a possibility for manager.

I admit going back he seemed a disappointing choice after the thought of LVG and i would have been just as happy with him or De boer or Koeman.

I've been impressed with him since he's been here but it had never really turned to warmth, maybe a case of once bitten twice shy after AVB.

After yesterdays result and his post match interviews though thats genuinely changed. It would have been easy for him to moan a bit about not having a clean sheet yesterday and other minor points but what came across was his genuine JOY at the performance. The man was happy, really publicly happy and i'm sure thats been picked up by the squad the same as it has by me.

This is a man who can sit stone faced swigging from a bottle and not crack any kind of facial expression during Lamela's rabona, who even after the 5-3 and 4-1 against chelsea and Emirates Marketing Project still felt there was significant work to be done and these results are the past now. It really felt like the sun came out with Poch yesterday.

Under Redknapp we had magnificent runs but there was always that itch at the back of your mind that this can't and won't last, and if we don't achieve something from this our squad is sightly reliant on a couple of players who won't be here much longer (Bale/Modric and i guess you could include King) or who are aging and will need to be moved on (Parker/Gallas etc) and poooof, rebuild time....again.

Under AVB there was a similar itch, but everything depended on Bale and there was always a nervousness after what happened to him at chelsea, a vulnerability to the entire situation. Added to that the rumours of his transfer targets and his spiky relationship with the press and even Levy and as positive as we wanted to be we just couldn't relax.

Under Mauricio theres a feeling, for me anyway, of absolute concreted foundations. That this is going to last. A sense that he has the genuine respect of the players, the staff, Levy, the press and even pundits. A youthful squad playing for him and fighting for their positions and actually wanting to play to be PART of whats going on, not just to play because thats what footballers do.

His handling of Lamela, whatever the f*** he's done to/with the moose, his switching position of Dier, his crushing of the rumoured rebellious elements of the squad, i could go on and on, have been nothing short of magnificent.

Even the few question marks over his use of substitutions have dried up significantly recently and may hopefully evaporate when he's had a chance to add to the squad a bit more giving him more personally chosen options off the bench.

Theres no feeling of luck here, no feeling that we are where we are because Arsenal or Chelsea or whoever have had a bad start or run like there was under Redknapp/AVB, no feeling of "this is it right now, its good, great even, but it can't get better" either. There aren't even any crazy expectations from us (yet!) we are all still patient, calm and just enjoying whats happening...and knowing its getting better anyway.

I usually hate altering a couple of past results and then saying "wow look where we would be if..." but i can't stop myself thinking that a win over arsenal was highly deserved and i expected us to beat liverpool at home and that would have put us top of the table. Thats without even looking at the early part of the season when i thought we were quite poor, especially as entertainment and Kane not scoring.

Best of all though is the calm confidence i feel. Bad results may come but i don't think we will have a run of them. A player here and there may get upset but its going to be dealt with. Match by match we are going to improve. Week by week the players are becoming more drilled in whats expected of them and getting better at doing it. After Kane/Mason/Alli quality young players will be thinking this is the place to come and be given a real chance, Not Emirates Marketing Project, Not chelsea, Not Man U. No chance Poch is going to crack, no chance he's going to get poached, no doubt who's the boss.

Concrete foundations.
Coys

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Poch is way too young to be an international coach. It's where coaches go when they get sick of being on the training pitch in the cold. Poch is very hands-on at the moment

I agree

Poch seems to be hungry for creating a team and a philosophy. That design work at international level as you can see unless all the clubs have it in place first (like Belgium).

He is a hands on coach and that is where he is excelling at the moment

There was talk in the radio of Madrid as his next job... How do you coach their players who all need egos massaging. That's a poisoned chalice revolving door job

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

I've had a wait and see attitude to Pochettino since his name was first mentioned as a possibility for manager.

I admit going back he seemed a disappointing choice after the thought of LVG and i would have been just as happy with him or De boer or Koeman.

I've been impressed with him since he's been here but it had never really turned to warmth, maybe a case of once bitten twice shy after AVB.

After yesterdays result and his post match interviews though thats genuinely changed. It would have been easy for him to moan a bit about not having a clean sheet yesterday and other minor points but what came across was his genuine JOY at the performance. The man was happy, really publicly happy and i'm sure thats been picked up by the squad the same as it has by me.

This is a man who can sit stone faced swigging from a bottle and not crack any kind of facial expression during Lamela's rabona, who even after the 5-3 and 4-1 against Chel53a and Emirates Marketing Project still felt there was significant work to be done and these results are the past now. It really felt like the sun came out with Poch yesterday.

Under Redknapp we had magnificent runs but there was always that itch at the back of your mind that this can't and won't last, and if we don't achieve something from this our squad is sightly reliant on a couple of players who won't be here much longer (Bale/Modric and i guess you could include King) or who are aging and will need to be moved on (Parker/Gallas etc) and poooof, rebuild time....again.

Under AVB there was a similar itch, but everything depended on Bale and there was always a nervousness after what happened to him at Chel53a, a vulnerability to the entire situation. Added to that the rumours of his transfer targets and his spiky relationship with the press and even Levy and as positive as we wanted to be we just couldn't relax.

Under Mauricio theres a feeling, for me anyway, of absolute concreted foundations. That this is going to last. A sense that he has the genuine respect of the players, the staff, Levy, the press and even pundits. A youthful squad playing for him and fighting for their positions and actually wanting to play to be PART of whats going on, not just to play because thats what footballers do.

His handling of Lamela, whatever the f*** he's done to/with the moose, his switching position of Dier, his crushing of the rumoured rebellious elements of the squad, i could go on and on, have been nothing short of magnificent.

Even the few question marks over his use of substitutions have dried up significantly recently and may hopefully evaporate when he's had a chance to add to the squad a bit more giving him more personally chosen options off the bench.

Theres no feeling of luck here, no feeling that we are where we are because Arsenal or Chel53a or whoever have had a bad start or run like there was under Redknapp/AVB, no feeling of "this is it right now, its good, great even, but it can't get better" either. There aren't even any crazy expectations from us (yet!) we are all still patient, calm and just enjoying whats happening...and knowing its getting better anyway.

I usually hate altering a couple of past results and then saying "wow look where we would be if..." but i can't stop myself thinking that a win over arsenal was highly deserved and i expected us to beat liverpool at home and that would have put us top of the table. Thats without even looking at the early part of the season when i thought we were quite poor, especially as entertainment and Kane not scoring.

Best of all though is the calm confidence i feel. Bad results may come but i don't think we will have a run of them. A player here and there may get upset but its going to be dealt with. Match by match we are going to improve. Week by week the players are becoming more drilled in whats expected of them and getting better at doing it. After Kane/Mason/Alli quality young players will be thinking this is the place to come and be given a real chance, Not Emirates Marketing Project, Not Chel53a, Not Man U. No chance Poch is going to crack, no chance he's going to get poached, no doubt who's the boss.

Concrete foundations.
Coys

Top Top TOP post buddy. What Poch is doing is what no other manager of recent times has been able to do to Spurs and that is rebuild properly for a sustainable and successful future. Like you, I have a great confidence in the team, the manager and also the club itself. All this talk about title, champions league places is actually quite boring for me personally as it is too early. After the Xmas schedule I think we will be in a better position to determine just how far this squad can go this season. Till then, take each game as it comes.

 

[ShelfLife]

I've had a wait and see attitude to Pochettino since his name was first mentioned as a possibility for manager.

I admit going back he seemed a disappointing choice after the thought of LVG and i would have been just as happy with him or De boer or Koeman.

I've been impressed with him since he's been here but it had never really turned to warmth, maybe a case of once bitten twice shy after AVB.

After yesterdays result and his post match interviews though thats genuinely changed. It would have been easy for him to moan a bit about not having a clean sheet yesterday and other minor points but what came across was his genuine JOY at the performance. The man was happy, really publicly happy and i'm sure thats been picked up by the squad the same as it has by me.

This is a man who can sit stone faced swigging from a bottle and not crack any kind of facial expression during Lamela's rabona, who even after the 5-3 and 4-1 against Chel53a and Emirates Marketing Project still felt there was significant work to be done and these results are the past now. It really felt like the sun came out with Poch yesterday.

Under Redknapp we had magnificent runs but there was always that itch at the back of your mind that this can't and won't last, and if we don't achieve something from this our squad is sightly reliant on a couple of players who won't be here much longer (Bale/Modric and i guess you could include King) or who are aging and will need to be moved on (Parker/Gallas etc) and poooof, rebuild time....again.

Under AVB there was a similar itch, but everything depended on Bale and there was always a nervousness after what happened to him at Chel53a, a vulnerability to the entire situation. Added to that the rumours of his transfer targets and his spiky relationship with the press and even Levy and as positive as we wanted to be we just couldn't relax.

Under Mauricio theres a feeling, for me anyway, of absolute concreted foundations. That this is going to last. A sense that he has the genuine respect of the players, the staff, Levy, the press and even pundits. A youthful squad playing for him and fighting for their positions and actually wanting to play to be PART of whats going on, not just to play because thats what footballers do.

His handling of Lamela, whatever the f*** he's done to/with the moose, his switching position of Dier, his crushing of the rumoured rebellious elements of the squad, i could go on and on, have been nothing short of magnificent.

Even the few question marks over his use of substitutions have dried up significantly recently and may hopefully evaporate when he's had a chance to add to the squad a bit more giving him more personally chosen options off the bench.

Theres no feeling of luck here, no feeling that we are where we are because Arsenal or Chel53a or whoever have had a bad start or run like there was under Redknapp/AVB, no feeling of "this is it right now, its good, great even, but it can't get better" either. There aren't even any crazy expectations from us (yet!) we are all still patient, calm and just enjoying whats happening...and knowing its getting better anyway.

I usually hate altering a couple of past results and then saying "wow look where we would be if..." but i can't stop myself thinking that a win over arsenal was highly deserved and i expected us to beat liverpool at home and that would have put us top of the table. Thats without even looking at the early part of the season when i thought we were quite poor, especially as entertainment and Kane not scoring.

Best of all though is the calm confidence i feel. Bad results may come but i don't think we will have a run of them. A player here and there may get upset but its going to be dealt with. Match by match we are going to improve. Week by week the players are becoming more drilled in whats expected of them and getting better at doing it. After Kane/Mason/Alli quality young players will be thinking this is the place to come and be given a real chance, Not Emirates Marketing Project, Not Chel53a, Not Man U. No chance Poch is going to crack, no chance he's going to get poached, no doubt who's the boss.

Concrete foundations.
Coys

Superb post.

 

[ShelfLife]

My man crush for Poch has reached potentially marriage wrecking levels. Worrying times.

 

[metalgear]

I have no problem with you thinking there are better Coaches than Poch. but you apply double standards when you compare those coaches to Poch and rarely give Poch any credit. Which imo does not make you a particularly objective critic.

not a fair comment at all.

i heaped praises on him when he arrived right up to the start of this season.

i decided to up my expectations of him this season because i feel he has been here long enough and needs to achieve something this season. record points haul, champions league spot, whatever.i still see him as a young coach with lots to learn.

last night's game was good though. thrashing west ham.

 

[metalgear]

With our performances this season, yes, we could be in the mix. The question mark is how long can we continue these performances? Everyone expects Leicester to fall from the top, so what is to stop us falling in the same manner?

It's too early to call us title challengers, yet the performances this season are those which could be attributed to a title challenging team.

its early enough to say that chelsea should be struggling to get there, and liverpool too - with a new manager. so top 4 minimum for me now if the squad stays fit.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

its early enough to say that Chel53a should be struggling to get there, and liverpool too - with a new manager. so top 4 minimum for me now if the squad stays fit.

I don't think we have any right to say that top 4 should be a minimum. A lot can happen and one thing this season has proved is that you cannot expect anything. Every game will be difficult. We're in as good a position to make top 4 as many other teams. The way Liverpool demolished Emirates Marketing Project said to me that they are dangerous, and I would not discount Chelsea just yet. Form is temporary and class permanent, and they have a lot of very good players.

 

[metalgear]

I don't think we have any right to say that top 4 should be a minimum. A lot can happen and one thing this season has proved is that you cannot expect anything. Every game will be difficult. We're in as good a position to make top 4 as many other teams. The way Liverpool demolished Emirates Marketing Project said to me that they are dangerous, and I would not discount Chel53a just yet. Form is temporary and class permanent, and they have a lot of very good players.

no right to demand of course. but given a fit squad and the current state of the epl, to me it is a valid ask of poch.
a normal chelsea and klopps second season at liverpool - i think we have no chance.

 

[alekaras]

no right to demand of course. but given a fit squad and the current state of the epl, to me it is a valid ask of poch.
a normal Chel53a and klopps second season at liverpool - i think we have no chance.

Why not? It's not like we won't improve too. This team with a few additions and even half the improvement we had since last year will be a genuine contender for top 3, imv.

 

[Robspur12]

@metalgear what nonsense! Based on resources, money spent on the squad, wages and experience of squad, top 4 minimum is still a tall ask. When we scraped 4th in 2012, we had at least 3 world class players, as well as Ade and Ledley. We now have Alli in his break through season, Lamela starting to perform a more consistently, Dier playing his first season as a defensive midfielder and 1 striker. We have absolutely no right to finish ahead of Liverpool or man Utd. If we do it will be quite an achievement. Are you implying that if we don't finish in the top 4 Poch should be sacked? Unbelievable.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

no right to demand of course. but given a fit squad and the current state of the epl, to me it is a valid ask of poch.
a normal Chel53a and klopps second season at liverpool - i think we have no chance.

I'm not so sure that I agree that it is a valid ask as we're still quite early in the season. My expectation is finishing 5-7 as it was at the beginning of the season. I am optimistic because I am seeing some real development, but I don't think that I should change my expectation on the basis of us performing well thus far. We have to focus on us and us only. Forget what's happening to other teams and just do our best. If that means fourth, great. If it doesn't, I'm not bothered so long as we meet our expectations. No-one could have predicted what is happening to Chelsea at the minute, but I don't think that necessarily changes our expectation as that would be getting carried away, imho. Let's see where we are after Christmas and we can re-evaluate if we need, but we still have a very young side, we still have a reliance on Kane, and some of our players are yet to prove themselves (N'Jie and Son to an extent).

 

[Raziel]

Think people need to separate/clarify the details

- Should Poch be expected to compete for top 4 = absolutely
- Should Poch be expected to deliver top 4 = no

The club has changed our direction re acquisition and development of players/talent, the decision to start a season with a heavy dependency on Dier, Alli, Mason, Bentaleb, Kane is a statement that we have chosen the long road vs. short term.

My opinion is the club is positioning itself to be in a better place long term, but also trying to be well placed to take advantage of in year/season opportunities (e.g. if Chea$ki really bricks the bed this season). However, that is very different to demanded/expecting top 4 now.

 

[parklane1]

I've had a wait and see attitude to Pochettino since his name was first mentioned as a possibility for manager.

I admit going back he seemed a disappointing choice after the thought of LVG and i would have been just as happy with him or De boer or Koeman.

I've been impressed with him since he's been here but it had never really turned to warmth, maybe a case of once bitten twice shy after AVB.

After yesterdays result and his post match interviews though thats genuinely changed. It would have been easy for him to moan a bit about not having a clean sheet yesterday and other minor points but what came across was his genuine JOY at the performance. The man was happy, really publicly happy and i'm sure thats been picked up by the squad the same as it has by me.

This is a man who can sit stone faced swigging from a bottle and not crack any kind of facial expression during Lamela's rabona, who even after the 5-3 and 4-1 against Chel53a and Emirates Marketing Project still felt there was significant work to be done and these results are the past now. It really felt like the sun came out with Poch yesterday.

Under Redknapp we had magnificent runs but there was always that itch at the back of your mind that this can't and won't last, and if we don't achieve something from this our squad is sightly reliant on a couple of players who won't be here much longer (Bale/Modric and i guess you could include King) or who are aging and will need to be moved on (Parker/Gallas etc) and poooof, rebuild time....again.

Under AVB there was a similar itch, but everything depended on Bale and there was always a nervousness after what happened to him at Chel53a, a vulnerability to the entire situation. Added to that the rumours of his transfer targets and his spiky relationship with the press and even Levy and as positive as we wanted to be we just couldn't relax.

Under Mauricio theres a feeling, for me anyway, of absolute concreted foundations. That this is going to last. A sense that he has the genuine respect of the players, the staff, Levy, the press and even pundits. A youthful squad playing for him and fighting for their positions and actually wanting to play to be PART of whats going on, not just to play because thats what footballers do.

His handling of Lamela, whatever the f*** he's done to/with the moose, his switching position of Dier, his crushing of the rumoured rebellious elements of the squad, i could go on and on, have been nothing short of magnificent.

Even the few question marks over his use of substitutions have dried up significantly recently and may hopefully evaporate when he's had a chance to add to the squad a bit more giving him more personally chosen options off the bench.

Theres no feeling of luck here, no feeling that we are where we are because Arsenal or Chel53a or whoever have had a bad start or run like there was under Redknapp/AVB, no feeling of "this is it right now, its good, great even, but it can't get better" either. There aren't even any crazy expectations from us (yet!) we are all still patient, calm and just enjoying whats happening...and knowing its getting better anyway.

I usually hate altering a couple of past results and then saying "wow look where we would be if..." but i can't stop myself thinking that a win over arsenal was highly deserved and i expected us to beat liverpool at home and that would have put us top of the table. Thats without even looking at the early part of the season when i thought we were quite poor, especially as entertainment and Kane not scoring.

Best of all though is the calm confidence i feel. Bad results may come but i don't think we will have a run of them. A player here and there may get upset but its going to be dealt with. Match by match we are going to improve. Week by week the players are becoming more drilled in whats expected of them and getting better at doing it. After Kane/Mason/Alli quality young players will be thinking this is the place to come and be given a real chance, Not Emirates Marketing Project, Not Chel53a, Not Man U. No chance Poch is going to crack, no chance he's going to get poached, no doubt who's the boss.

Concrete foundations.
Coys

Great post mate and well thought out, I have been going to the lane for over 50 years and during that time I have seen several things, great players ( Greaves, Mackay, Hoddle, and lots more), I have seen some really top performances against some really great teams, I have seen the glory of winning trophys and the pain of losing some. But I have also seen several false dawns ( which have petered out before to long) now I can see something happening, in the past we have had teams that won things because we had great individuals ( Gazza, Lineker, Chivers etc) now I see a TEAM being built that will play as a TEAM and that has not happened before ( at least not since the 60's imo). If we can keep going in the same direction I do believe that this could be the real deal and not another false dawn.

I really hope so because I am not getting any younger

 

[parklane1]

no right to demand of course. but given a fit squad and the current state of the epl, to me it is a valid ask of poch.
a normal Chel53a and klopps second season at liverpool - i think we have no chance.

Are you for real?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

no right to demand of course. but given a fit squad and the current state of the epl, to me it is a valid ask of poch.
a normal Chel53a and klopps second season at liverpool - i think we have no chance.

Great positive thoughts...

id argue strongly that our bandwidth for improvement is greater than both of them. We have players with less than 20 games at this level out performing experienced internationals with 200 plus games after 18 months of coaching and less of course depending when they joined

i really dont think pool are gonna spend big and they do need players that suit Klopp. They have very few assets on the pitch to sell now that would be worth more than they paid and they have more losses to take on players like Markovic. Clop ha stop polish some turds there and he is a good manager but think they will be up an down performance wise

Chelsea will buy... that doesn't work well all the time and they will need a new manager at the end of the season like Madrid so i can see them having issues again

I stil dont see Van Gaal buying any decent defenders and addressing that issue as people keep in highlighting their defensive record so he is happy ignoring the fact they dont attack anyone so its easier to defend

Arsene won't buy the holding midfielder they need (Along with others that will be needed I'm sure)

City will buy more players but when won't they... unfortunately they have around a 1 in 3 success rate of their buys

So again, why can't we push on to challenge

We are progressing when others can't even stand still and its apparent to this who are watching that this isn't luck