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The Centre Back thread
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Re: Central defenders
Fair enough, all about opinions
I disagree with the first part and the second
Fair enough, all about opinions
Re: Central defenders
Fair comment but we beat QPR with 4 of our back 5 from last season, we also beat West Ham with 4 out of our back 5 as well, with another of the old coming back to play CB after the red. So if he has been watching DVDs he must have been impressed
Fair comment but we beat QPR with 4 of our back 5 from last season, we also beat West Ham with 4 out of our back 5 as well, with another of the old coming back to play CB after the red. So if he has been watching DVDs he must have been impressed
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Central defenders
Im liking the look of our revamped back 5, on paper.
Lloris, Vorm, Friedel
Rose, Davies
Walker, Naughton
Vertonghen, Dier
Fazio, Kaboul
Vertonghen and Dier both capable of filling in at full back positions in emergency - Kaboul too. Capoue also gives us a 5th choice CB if required as well. Dier looks more than ready for first team football and we know Kaboul is capable when fit - question marks over Naughton i guess but with Rose looking solid in the two games so far we can be hopeful of a similar impovment there.
Weakest area of the field last season is suddenly looking rather good, imv - and for not much outlay taking in to consideration Dawson and what looks like a near exit for Chiriches
Im liking the look of our revamped back 5, on paper.
Lloris, Vorm, Friedel
Rose, Davies
Walker, Naughton
Vertonghen, Dier
Fazio, Kaboul
Vertonghen and Dier both capable of filling in at full back positions in emergency - Kaboul too. Capoue also gives us a 5th choice CB if required as well. Dier looks more than ready for first team football and we know Kaboul is capable when fit - question marks over Naughton i guess but with Rose looking solid in the two games so far we can be hopeful of a similar impovment there.
Weakest area of the field last season is suddenly looking rather good, imv - and for not much outlay taking in to consideration Dawson and what looks like a near exit for Chiriches
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Central defenders
We were £6.5m in the black before Dawson (reported £3-6m), so if Fazio is less than £9.5m, we've done it all on zero net spend.
I still think Kaboul is shot though, plus he can leave for a free in January. I'd love us to get Musacchio as well as Fazio and give Kaboul his move to Lazio.
We were £6.5m in the black before Dawson (reported £3-6m), so if Fazio is less than £9.5m, we've done it all on zero net spend.
I still think Kaboul is shot though, plus he can leave for a free in January. I'd love us to get Musacchio as well as Fazio and give Kaboul his move to Lazio.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Central defenders
I think that we need to give Kaboul a run of games and a chance to recover his match sharpness before making too many conclusions. I thought that he did OK, but still with plenty of room for improvement, on Saturday.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Central defenders
I don't think he was really tested by QPR - we were dominant and the likes of Remy, Matt Phillips and Zamora aren't exactly the toughest opponents he will face all season. He looked very shoddy against West Ham.
I think the contract situation will be an issue for Levy. We could get £4m for him now, or he's free to sign a pre-contract in January. Levy doesn't usually throw that much money away (although Bentley did ultimately run down his contract and Jenas got close).
I don't think he was really tested by QPR - we were dominant and the likes of Remy, Matt Phillips and Zamora aren't exactly the toughest opponents he will face all season. He looked very shoddy against West Ham.
I think the contract situation will be an issue for Levy. We could get £4m for him now, or he's free to sign a pre-contract in January. Levy doesn't usually throw that much money away (although Bentley did ultimately run down his contract and Jenas got close).
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Central defenders
If Poch doesn't fancy him, his injury problems return/aren't behind him/have had a permanent impact on his game or he is running down his contract, I would agree that we should look to move him on.
I still think that it is best to see how this develops. If he can regain his fitness and sharpness he is a real asset. In a situation such as that, I could see him being offered a new contract.
If Poch doesn't fancy him, his injury problems return/aren't behind him/have had a permanent impact on his game or he is running down his contract, I would agree that we should look to move him on.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Central defenders
I agree.
Against Spammers he was horrendous and he wasn't tested against QPR....when he was tested he was put on the floor by Matt Phillips.
I agree.
Against Spammers he was horrendous and he wasn't tested against QPR....when he was tested he was put on the floor by Matt Phillips.
Re: Central defenders
He also struggles in the air, as does Jan, hence the need for Fazio.
I can see why Belgium play Jan at full back, in many ways he's better suited there.
He also struggles in the air, as does Jan, hence the need for Fazio.
I can see why Belgium play Jan at full back, in many ways he's better suited there.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Central defenders
Poch having him captain the side with other options like Lloris and Vertonghen playing, and giving him a lot of game time in pre-season and continuing that into the season seems to me like a sign that Poch thinks he can offer something.
When fit Kaboul was stronger in the air than Dawson imo. If he wasn't it was at the very least close.
Poch having him captain the side with other options like Lloris and Vertonghen playing, and giving him a lot of game time in pre-season and continuing that into the season seems to me like a sign that Poch thinks he can offer something.
When fit Kaboul was stronger in the air than Dawson imo. If he wasn't it was at the very least close.
Re: Central defenders
Maybe, but that was a long time ago. These days Kab struggles in the air.
Maybe, but that was a long time ago. These days Kab struggles in the air.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Central defenders
It can actually be a consequence of an ACL injury.
It took me a while to even notice, but since mine I subconsciously take off from my other (weaker) leg, thus reducing my jump. My physio said that's common.
It can actually be a consequence of an ACL injury.
It took me a while to even notice, but since mine I subconsciously take off from my other (weaker) leg, thus reducing my jump. My physio said that's common.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Central defenders
Not from what I saw in pre-season, against West Ham or against QPR.
I don't think I'm far off saying that this is the first time since his injury problems started completing 90 minutes in consecutive Premier League matches. I might very well be wrong and I don't know of a quick way to check that, but the point is more that he now seems to be nearing fitness and match fitness for the first time since his injury problems. If he can't regain consistent fitness it will all be irrelevant as he won't become a regular for us anyway, but at least he should be given the chance to regain that fitness before conclusions are being made about him no longer being able to do what he used to do with relative ease.
Not from what I saw in pre-season, against West Ham or against QPR.
I don't think I'm far off saying that this is the first time since his injury problems started completing 90 minutes in consecutive Premier League matches. I might very well be wrong and I don't know of a quick way to check that, but the point is more that he now seems to be nearing fitness and match fitness for the first time since his injury problems. If he can't regain consistent fitness it will all be irrelevant as he won't become a regular for us anyway, but at least he should be given the chance to regain that fitness before conclusions are being made about him no longer being able to do what he used to do with relative ease.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Central defenders
I agree. If he can regain full fitness then he will be one of the or the best CB at the club. It would be silly to write that off on two early games, when the team is in transition and when you would exlect Kaboul to still be finding his way back into playing.
DHSF
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Central defenders
In all honesty there is stil not one leader amongst that all. You need someone at the back to marshal that defence, I dont see that quality in there at all.
In all honesty there is stil not one leader amongst that all. You need someone at the back to marshal that defence, I dont see that quality in there at all.
DHSF
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Central defenders
Fazio could be one not seen much of him - def not Lloris and certainly not Vert. We need a **** in there at the back, someone strong and robust wjo wont take ****, will order the guys at the back. At the moment its just too soft.
Fazio could be one not seen much of him - def not Lloris and certainly not Vert. We need a **** in there at the back, someone strong and robust wjo wont take ****, will order the guys at the back. At the moment its just too soft.