Next Spurs Manager v.2

[Lilywhite]

Our revenue is €50m more than A Madrid, when the stadium is completed it will be €100m.

Off the field we are killing these teams.. despite the fact that both Ajax and A Madrid have 50k+ stadiums. De Boer the Ajax manager is the one whoring himself out to us, he knows just like there players they have to leave... We should not be ashamed for being disappointed for thinking big.. even though I don't think we are with Ajax. Just sayin.

Ajax would be no different to us taking Lennon of Celtic!

It aint just down to money. These geezers, especially de Boer will be emotionally attached to their current clubs, and regardless of money these clubs are bigger than us due to their successes + having more fans. I have no shame in admitting that, and it's one reason why I don't expect them to just walk in to our job if offered it.

Another reason is Levy of course. Why join us when you get sacked even after having achieved relative success here? Levy has made this club more unappealing than when he got here in some ways, in spite of the good things he has done.

 

[Armchair Expert]

It aint just down to money. These geezers, especially de Boer will be emotionally attached to their current clubs, and regardless of money these clubs are bigger than us due to their successes + having more fans. I have no shame in admitting that, and it's one reason why I don't expect them to just walk in to our job if offered it.

Another reason is Levy of course. Why join us when you get sacked even after having achieved relative success here? Levy has made this club more unappealing than when he got here in some ways, in spite of the good things he has done.

i don't think that levy has made our club less appealing. if you back yourself to match the ambitions of a ferociously ambitious chairman/club hell bent on competing at the top table then come on down. if you don't fit that description then we're not interested anyway.

if any manager can just do well and simultaneously say the correct things there won't be a problem. as a manager you know you get backed in the tranfer market, you live in london, have the appeal of london for attracting players, have world class training facilities that are a real statement of intent and a brand new 55k stadium in the pipe line.

if your too much of a pusssy to back yourself to deliver results on the pitch, then don't fking bother applying.

levy has generally pulled the trigger at times i could understand, and made appointments i could largely understand.

all we need is that one right appointment, and all the foundations are laid for the right guy to waltz in this summer and crack on.

 

[braineclipse]

It aint just down to money. These geezers, especially de Boer will be emotionally attached to their current clubs, and regardless of money these clubs are bigger than us due to their successes + having more fans. I have no shame in admitting that, and it's one reason why I don't expect them to just walk in to our job if offered it.

Another reason is Levy of course. Why join us when you get sacked even after having achieved relative success here? Levy has made this club more unappealing than when he got here in some ways, in spite of the good things he has done.

Feel free to base this statement on some examples, evidence or rationale...

Who were the managers we were attracting pre-Levy that were bigger names, higher profile or higher rated than managers we can attract now? I can't think of anyone myself.

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If LvG isn't gettable who would people here have as their second choice?

For me I think Pochettino is the one I would be hoping most for all things considered. And I think he might be gettable after they sacked their chairman that he was reportedly close to.

 

[indianspur]

Feel free to base this statement on some examples, evidence or rationale...

Who were the managers we were attracting pre-Levy that were bigger names, higher profile or higher rated than managers we can attract now? I can't think of anyone myself.

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If LvG isn't gettable who would people here have as their second choice?

For me I think Pochettino is the one I would be hoping most for all things considered. And I think he might be gettable after they sacked their chairman that he was reportedly close to.

Frankie de Boer......it gives us a slightly better chance of keeping Eriksen for maybe 2 or 3 more years rather than 1 more. Plus Verts has a good relationship with him. He will be highly respected by players, media and fans alike.

 

[braineclipse]

Frankie de Boer......it gives us a slightly better chance of keeping Eriksen for maybe 2 or 3 more years rather than 1 more. Plus Verts has a good relationship with him. He will be highly respected by players, media and fans alike.

Would be up there for sure along with Pochettino and perhaps Spaletti for me.

De Boer also has a great track record of introducing and improving/developing young players I think. Experience from some top, really well run clubs and seems to play the kind of football I want us to aim towards.

Downside with him is a complete lack of PL experience, unlike Pochettino, and that he's only really proven himself in one club that's the biggest club in that league. Quite different from life at Spurs week to week.

 

[Armchair Expert]

Feel free to base this statement on some examples, evidence or rationale...

Who were the managers we were attracting pre-Levy that were bigger names, higher profile or higher rated than managers we can attract now? I can't think of anyone myself.

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If LvG isn't gettable who would people here have as their second choice?

For me I think Pochettino is the one I would be hoping most for all things considered. And I think he might be gettable after they sacked their chairman that he was reportedly close to.

i'd be happy with any of FdB, FSW, Thomas Tuchel or Pochettino. probably in that order.

 

[braineclipse]

i'd be happy with any of FdB, FSW, Thomas Tuchel or Pochettino. probably in that order.

Have seen you mention Tuchel before. I only know him as the man that replaced Klopp at Mainz and he's supposedly highly rated. Do you have some more information you can share? You seem to know the Bundesliga well...

(Btw, love your avatar!)

 

[Cochise]

:ross:

I just knew it was all gonna fall apart when pictures of these two pricks appeared. Jinxed it for us they did

 

[Armchair Expert]

Have seen you mention Tuchel before. I only know him as the man that replaced Klopp at Mainz and he's supposedly highly rated. Do you have some more information you can share? You seem to know the Bundesliga well...

(Btw, love your avatar!)

All hail the mighty Hitchens! R.I.P

tuchel has come through the ranks and had success at every level. i think he started off at suttgart, won the youth league a couple of times, went to mainz and won the u21 league there i think. took over from klopp in 2009 (i think!) and is really cut from the same cloth. a bit of a headcase on the sidelines, 100% passionate and committed, and has had mainz comfortably survive in the bundesliga ever since. this year they are well in contention for an el spot, which would be a massive achievement.

mainz play good football, on the deck, and have a reasonably young team of technically proficeint players. he's been there for a good 4 seasons or so and has mantained the levels over an extended period. his contract is running down in the summer and it appears he is looking for a new challenge after previously rejecting advances from other clubs (schalke amongst others before they appointed keller i think).

he seems to have made good career moves, has worked up through the ranks and is probably (after klopp) alongside lucien favre, whom i also rate, the hottest managerial property in german football. he's a good age, with good credentials and experience - a new school manager looking for a bigger stage (so it seems).

 

[braineclipse]

All hail the mighty Hitchens! R.I.P

tuchel has come through the ranks and had success at every level. i think he started off at suttgart, won the youth league a couple of times, went to mainz and won the u21 league there i think. took over from klopp in 2009 (i think!) and is really cut from the same cloth. a bit of a headcase on the sidelines, 100% passionate and committed, and has had mainz comfortably survive in the bundesliga ever since. this year they are well in contention for an el spot, which would be a massive achievement.

mainz play good football, on the deck, and have a reasonably young team of technically proficeint players. he's been there for a good 4 seasons or so and has mantained the levels over an extended period. his contract is running down in the summer and it appears he is looking for a new challenge after previously rejecting advances from other clubs (schalke amongst others before they appointed keller i think).

he seems to have made good career moves, has worked up through the ranks and is probably (after klopp) alongside lucien favre, whom i also rate, the hottest managerial property in german football. he's a good age, with good credentials and experience - a new school manager looking for a bigger stage (so it seems).

Cheers. Sounds like he would be an interesting candidate for sure.

How closely does his playing style match that of Klopp. Is it a similar all action, high pressing, fairly high risk build from the back style? As a side note, did Klopp play a very similar style to his Dortmund side when at Mainz?

A few more if you don't mind:

How has Tuchel done in the transfer market at Mainz?
How is Tuchel's English?

 

[DTA]

Thing is a about Pochettino apart from the fact that Tims beat him twice is what's he won? Why are they not where Everton are as they have spent some money and have good young players.

 

[braineclipse]

Thing is a about Pochettino apart from the fact that Tims beat him twice is what's he won? Why are they not where Everton are as they have spent some money and have good young players.

Wasn't that true about Rodgers for Liverpool too though?

Pochettino has spent his managerial so far at Espanyol in La Liga and Southampton in the Premiership. Not exactly places where managers win trophies regularly.

If we can't get LvG, other than De Boer who has done his winning with the clearly biggest team in a relatively small league who can we go for that's won stuff?

 

[indianspur]

Wasn't that true about Rodgers for Liverpool too though?

Pochettino has spent his managerial so far at Espanyol in La Liga and Southampton in the Premiership. Not exactly places where managers win trophies regularly.

If we can't get LvG, other than De Boer who has done his winning with the clearly biggest team in a relatively small league who can we go for that's won stuff?

Allegri 8-[

 

[Cochise]

Why is it that whilst Spurs were in for LVG all the papers did was spend time telling us how much of a headcase he is and yet now UTD are in for him he's the messiah?

 

[NWND]

Oh crap: "My commitment to Borussia Dortmund and the people is not breakable"

Pochettino for us it is then.

Gutterboy, I'm not calling you out, just interested in yours and well, everyone's opinion.

The concensus from those in "your camp" was that you liked AVB because he was more of a "project" manager, and you wanted him to be given more time as he was building for the long term etc.

Surely Pochettino represents more of this route than LVG, who probably will be retiring in a few years and would probably be interested in managing for the here and now.

Pochettino has utilised a lot of young players at Southampton and his buys are mostly of the 'up and comer' variety like Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez. He's also embedded a style there and defensive solidity which is very impressive.

I don't have a problem with the here and now style of management (like Redknapp) or the 'project' style of management (like Rodgers), and both can be successful if implemented fully. Its just that for me you seemed to be a big fan of the 'project' style, which i think Pochettino represents over LVG.

I mean don't get me wrong, after the chance of having LVG as our manager was dangled infront of us, Pochettino would seem like a bit of an anti-climax, but to me he seems like a more tactically flexible, less mentally unhinged version of AVB, which I thought would have ticked a lot of your boxes?

 

[NWND]

Thing is a about Pochettino apart from the fact that Tims beat him twice is what's he won? Why are they not where Everton are as they have spent some money and have good young players.

Because Everton were handed two of Europe's best young players late in the window. Whatever you think of Southampton's team, its quite a bit short of where Everton's is quality wise. The difference is that Everton are guaranteed to lose their best two players this summer, whereas Southampton are not.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Gutterboy, I'm not calling you out, just interested in yours and well, everyone's opinion.

The concensus from those in "your camp" was that you liked AVB because he was more of a "project" manager, and you wanted him to be given more time as he was building for the long term etc.

Surely Pochettino represents more of this route than LVG, who probably will be retiring in a few years and would probably be interested in managing for the here and now.

Pochettino has utilised a lot of young players at Southampton and his buys are mostly of the 'up and comer' variety like Lovren, Wanyama, Ramirez. He's also embedded a style there and defensive solidity which is very impressive.

I don't have a problem with the here and now style of management (like Redknapp) or the 'project' style of management (like Rodgers), and both can be successful if implemented fully. Its just that for me you seemed to be a big fan of the 'project' style, which i think Pochettino represents over LVG.

I mean don't get me wrong, after the chance of having LVG as our manager was dangled infront of us, Pochettino would seem like a bit of an anti-climax, but to me he seems like a more tactically flexible, less mentally unhinged version of AVB, which I thought would have ticked a lot of your boxes?

As one of the camp I have to say I really like Potchettino, but I'm not convinced he will work well with Levy. He's got a particular system that needs certain players to make it work, and if Levy does too much of his buying for business value rather than football strategy then I'm not sure it will work. Cortese seemed to give MP the responsibility of getting the types of players he wanted and I'm not sure Levy will do that. LVG seems to be more the type of coach that has high demands but doesn't need certain types of players so long as they all subscribe to a high team ethic which our squad barring a couple of players would very much do.

 

[AdamB]

Allegri 8-[

Dont know much about Allegri but he's far more proven it seems Pochettino. And after, AVB and TS, I cant see Levy going for another manager who either hasny won much or is coming off a train-wreck situation like AVB.

As such, I would have thought that in the event that LVG does go to Man U (and I think thats far from certain as I would expect them to appoint someone more for the long-term) then I would expect Allegri to be very much in the frame along with FDB and Ancelotti (if obtainable once sacked from Real)

 

[braineclipse]

Allegri 8-[

True, Spalletti has won the Russian league too.

Point remains that even those managers we could potentially get that have won stuff also carry substantial risk. As such having won something or not is just one, imo rather small, factor out of many.

 

[braineclipse]

Dont know much about Allegri but he's far more proven it seems Pochettino. And after, AVB and TS, I cant see Levy going for another manager who either hasny won much or is coming off a train-wreck situation like AVB.

As such, I would have thought that in the event that LVG does go to Man U (and I think thats far from certain as I would expect them to appoint someone more for the long-term) then I would expect Allegri to be very much in the frame along with FDB and Ancelotti (if obtainable once sacked from Real)

10-ish years of managerial experience compared to Pochettino's 5. However Allegri got his first Serie A job in 2008 whereas Pochettino got his La Liga job in 2009 so in terms of years at a top level there's not that much difference. Milan's definitely a bigger club than Espanyol and Southampton, but they've been a big club declining under Allegri (not because of him).

With Pochettino being experienced in the PL and having experience from two different top European leagues I would say that when speaking of what they've proven I would lean more towards Pochettino than Allegri personally.