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I'm sorry that is just nonsense mate. Both Martinez and Rodgers looked quite clearly from the off like they were building sides. Which of the managers in Levy's reign looked like that? AVB? well he was given a chance by Levy after failing to get 4th last season. But frankly he never looked any where like those other two in terms of achieving a successful, coherent system of play. This constant attack on Levy is just foolish from many fans.

Don't know how you can defend Levy. Liverpool are doing well now because they kept their best player Suarez. In contrast, Levy sold our best player. Liverpool will be a mid table club now if not for Suarez. If Liverpool do win the league, it will be all down to Suarez and not because of the manager.
 
Re: Rodgers claiming he wouldn't come to Spurs because Levy sacks too many managers - how long did his 2 immediate predecessors last? Can't stand the bloke, people on here were right with the whole "Brenton Rodgers" stuff. Very good manager though- sadly.
 
Don't know how you can defend Levy. Liverpool are doing well now because they kept their best player Suarez. In contrast, Levy sold our best player. Liverpool will be a mid table club now if not for Suarez. If Liverpool do win the league, it will be all down to Suarez and not because of the manager.

If Liverpool had received a world record bid from Real Madrid for Suarez and they subjected them to their full range of dirty tricks it would have had the same outcome. If we had only received a £40,000,001 bid for Bale he would still be playing for us. It is easy to turn down derisory offers.
 
Re: Rodgers claiming he wouldn't come to Spurs because Levy sacks too many managers - how long did his 2 immediate predecessors last? Can't stand the bloke, people on here were right with the whole "Brenton Rodgers" stuff. Very good manager though- sadly.

It was just managerial mind games bull**** in the lead up to our first game this season. He was just trying to undermine AVB a little and curry favour with the Liverpool fans.
 
Don't know how you can defend Levy. Liverpool are doing well now because they kept their best player Suarez. In contrast, Levy sold our best player. Liverpool will be a mid table club now if not for Suarez. If Liverpool do win the league, it will be all down to Suarez and not because of the manager.

I agree that selling Bale has fooked us and keeping Suarez has been good for Liverpool but I don't see that Levy had any choice. If Real had come in last Summer with 85 million for Suarez he would have been off like a shot. Bale made it clear he did not want to play for Spurs. Liverpool's resolve over Suarez was never really tested they are fooking American after all can you imagine the orgasm they would have had over £85million. I also think that had we continued to play like we did last season, relying on Bale creating chances out of nothing we would have come unstuck this season anyway.
 
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An astute tactician that Martinez...

Everton 3-0 Arsenal: Everton maintain their challenge for fourth place | Zonal Marking

Looking through the archives, we haven't beaten ARSEnal by 3+ goals in the league since April 1983 back when Chris Hughton scored the first two in a 5-0 victory. I'm a bit too young to remember that game but it must've been a great day to be a Lilywhite \o/

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Rodgers can say anything he likes now he is firmly ensconced in the Liverpool Job. He is a smarmy cnut but seriously do you think if Levy had come in for him when he was managing Swansea he would have said no? In a way I'm glad we didn't get him. It's Martinez I am more bummed at missing out on.

Yes , I do believe Rodgers would've said no as it were just a matter of time before he would be offered one of the top jobs. I agree with you he is a bit up himself and that in itself has me thinking that a Rodgers/Levy working relationship would soon fail.

When Harry was sacked, I wanted Rodgers at Spurs but I now believe that of the two, Martinez is probably the most likely to have worked with Levy. But even then I feel it wouldn't be to long before Levy ****ed off the Spaniard. Martinez would've wanted to build his squad , not have one foisted on him.



As for Levy moving from one system to another that's only because each time he has been let down by the managers he has employed. Seriously which one should he have kept ? I'm struggling perhaps Harry if only he hadn't hitched up his skirt for England. Despite that we are still better off now than when Levy took over in 2001. I trust Levy to recognise a coherent system if he ever appoints a good enough manager it's just his record at appointing the right man is so poor.


You're making the same error here that many do and that's judging those managers under the working conditions set. It could be argued that Jol , Ramos, Harry and AVB, could all have been kept on longer and had done better had they been shown the support that a manager requires.

We were a dodgy Gooner Lasagne away from CL with Jol but he weren't allowed to hurdle a future set-back. Meanwhile, Comoli and Levy were drooling over the then much talked about Sevilla manager.

They duly got their man and Ramos then won us the only trophy under Levy but then the following summer, after already seeing his chairman sell Robbie Keane, Ramos was further handicapped with the Berbatov transfer on deadline day, I should say, on the last minute of deadline day! And hey, why not throw in a loanee Fraizer Campbell to assure your manager that you're fully backing him. Also, the players were to be allowed their Mac Happy Meals again as we didn't want to upset the likes of David Bentley.

Then Harry. Yes his gob as many had warned , was to eventually cost him his job. Telling his press mates that we should sell Modric on, whilst Levy were still haggling was not a good idea and then there's his flirting with the England job. But at least that particular sacking happened pre season unlike the others .



Not wishing to make this an AVB debate but if you think that when a chairman backs a player who has a history of being a bit of a areshole, over a manager , that's backing the manager then fair enough .

Oh come on you cannot be serious. Levy backed AVB until it became clear that his personal spat with our best striker, when we lacked other options, was clearly detrimental to our results. If we had continued with the Ade freeze out and Soldado up front on his own we would have truly seen a car crash of a season. Honestly mate I feel like banging my head against a wall when people accuse Levy of having treated AVB badly.

I can understand Levy's frustration. We had seen Soldado unable to score and we had Adybayor wasting away on the training ground. AVB took a gamble that Soldado would do the business and it didn't pay off . But AVB had also asked for Ade to be shipped out in the summer as he were not part of his plans. Apparently a transfer did not happen for Ade's personal reasons, that and Levy taking a financial hit probably stopped anything happening . But if the stories of a fallout between manager and player are true and then the owners do not come down on the side of the manager, then the bosses are making the manager's position untenable . You cannot have bosses siding with the staff over management , it just does not work. If Jose had asked for no beanie hats to be worn at Real Madrid team meetings, then I'm damn well sure that Adebayor would've been more than happy to adhere to his manager's wishes

Your last paragraph does you know favours and I know from your other posts you are a decent poster so I won't take it too seriously. Levy was still working for Spurs despite a personal bereavement (the loss of his mother?) and a sick wife. Surely no one can question his commitment to our club.

I'd like Levy to be a little bit more like a Kenwright (Everton) or a Wheelan (Wigan), to show he is also a fan. To see him on the WHL jumbotron's showing some positive emotion wouldn't go amiss. I would also like him to be a little more like these two chairmen in his working relationship with the managers he appoints . Saying that he's been let down time and time again by the managers is getting tiresome now. If he cannot change tact and Enic are serious about their Tottenham Hotspur investment, then perhaps its time they looked at the idea of replacing Levy with another one of their employees.
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With respect to the managers

Jol- a lovely but limited manager imo had taken us as far as he could. We were conceding late goals and from practically every set piece. Levy wanted more felt that Ramos could take us to the next level. Right to get rid imo.

Ramos:- very good coach imo and would have appeared a good choice to replace Jol. Started well, but alarm bells were ringing after the carling cup win when we were really poor rather than building on the momentum. I agree the transfer window when he lost both Keane and Berba was not good but he really should have achieved better than 2 points from 8 games none the less - PAV, Bent and Campbell, not great but surely better than the return we got. I have a feeling other factors came into play. Right to get rid imo.

HR- every season apart from 09/10 we had drop in performance level from the beginning of March. Yes he was only given Saha and Nelson in January but who knows who was available at the time for a reasonable price. Not many teams do good business in January. His flirting with the England Job was totally unacceptable. Losing the lead over Arsenal was predominantly due to him taking his eye off the ball. Right to get rid imo.

AVB been done plenty of times.

By the way with regard to the teams challenging for Champs league, no manager gets more than 2 seasons to "get it right." Which chairman of those teams will these days allow a manager to be bottom of the table or get 2 points from 8 games, or the team to look so unlikely to score goals as with AVB this season, before taking action. Lets see how long Man Utd give Moyes to finish outside of top 4 and he is far more proven in the PL than AVB was. So any manager knows that if they get one of these top jobs they will have to hit the ground running.


With regard to ADE/AVB. You are putting a very black and white perspective on events when you do not know how they played out. I think that you are giving AVB the benefit of the doubt here because you like him. I wonder if you would be giving Sherwood the same benefit. Managers have fallen out with players many times, but the manager must always do what is best for the team. AVB made it personal and it cost us.
 
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Man there are going to be some big **** banners and flags at Anfield today, the Sky suck off is in full effect already
 
Who in their right mind would watch the buildup to a game like this? I would end up smashing the tv long before kickoff.
 
Mignolet, Johnson, Flanagan, Sakho, Skrtel, Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge

So many average players.
 
Mignolet, Johnson, Flanagan, Sakho, Skrtel, Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge

So many average players.

The back 5 isnt actually that great, City could 100% test them thats for sure, but by blowing teams away like they do it doesnt matter if they concede, today could be different
 
Don't know how you can defend Levy. Liverpool are doing well now because they kept their best player Suarez. In contrast, Levy sold our best player. Liverpool will be a mid table club now if not for Suarez. If Liverpool do win the league, it will be all down to Suarez and not because of the manager.

They did fine without him when he was suspended.
 
Mignolet, Johnson, Flanagan, Sakho, Skrtel, Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge

So many average players.

Along with a couple of really good players and one top class player. All working within a functioning system and all working really hard together as a team and as a unit.
 
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