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Dele Alli

I’m going to miss him. I’m going to miss the song. I can’t understand how someone with his skill can let himself be distracted by anything outside of football. He has been living my dream. But then, I can’t get into the mindset of a 25 year old multi millionaire.
 
It’s most upsetting but… Ozil is long gone and his hair is terrible. As for distraction I can understand with some of the young ladies he’s been aquanted with.

In all seriousness it’s a tragedy that such a prodigious young talent has gone to waste, sadly half of talent is between the ears and separates the Ronaldos from the Emmanuel frimpongs of this world.
 
Bishop said:
Lo Celso has done more in the time since he's been here. Dele heyday was quite a significant time ago. We could arguably do better than both tbh.
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In the 19/20 season alone Dele was more productive (9 goals, 5 assists) than GLC has been here over his entire spell at the club (4 goals 3 assists) so i would disagree quite strongly with your opening line there.

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Even in the last 2 seasons, which has barely seen him involved for any meaningful amount of time, he has managed to contribute at a better rate than GLC (3 goals and 5 assists)

Ultimately though if Conte has no place for him in his plans then it's time to move on
 
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billyiddo said:
In the 19/20 season alone Dele was more productive (9 goals, 5 assists) than GLC has been here over his entire spell at the club (4 goals 3 assists) so i would disagree quite strongly with your opening line there.

Even in his last 2 season which has barely seen him involved for any meaningful amount of time, he has managed to contribute at a better rate than GLC (3 goals and 5 assists)
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Given that GLC played for some portion as an orthodox CM and reasonably well I don't think you can't just compare goal and assist stats. That doesn't tell his whole story. If I combine his midfield performances then yes I do think he's been better than Dele since he arrived.
 
Bishop said:
Given that GLC played for some portion as an orthodox CM and reasonably well I don't think you can't just compare goal and assist stats. That doesn't tell his whole story. If I combine his midfield performances then yes I do think he's been better than Dele since he arrived.
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But Lo Celso hasn't really done anything of note as a CM either for us - certainly never made the position his own, just filled in at best, does that match up to an attacking player scoring/assisting to a decent to good level over a PL season? (of course not)
 
billyiddo said:
But Lo Celso hasn't really done anything of note as a CM either for us - certainly never made the position his own, just filled in at best, does that match up to an attacking player scoring/assisting to a decent to good level over a PL season? (of course not)
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billyiddo said:
But Lo Celso hasn't really done anything of note as a CM either for us - certainly never made the position his own, just filled in at best, does that match up to an attacking player scoring/assisting to a decent to good level over a PL season? (of course not)
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I agree that GLC never made the space his own but he was arguably our best and most important player in the latter end of 2019/2020 season.

Conversely I do not agree that Dele had a decent to good attacking season that year. He was below average as his numbers demonstrate. Dele for me is a player who if he isn't scoring or assisting isn't doing a great deal productively so he needs a very good showing to outmatch a good performance from a CM for me.

We should have course go back and forth over our philosophies and I do enjoy and appreciate the debate however I would say the most salient point is neither have been consistently good enough and both could and maybe should be replaced.
 
Lo Celso's only value at the moment is that he is probably mates with Romero. Other than that, nada - he's a permacrock whose aim is to play for Argentina and then recover from the injuries at Spurs, that's it.

I think Dele's head has gone. But he has contributed more in his six years here than Lo Celso will have done in 100, judging by his present goals/assists tally. Some respect for that is warranted.
 
Poch was our best manager this millennium there is no doubt. But fuk me his transfers at the end were woeful. How much of our recent malaise is due to us blowing hundreds of millions on Ndombele, LeCelco, Sessegnon, and Clake. With wages factored in, it must be the best part of a £200m outlay?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Poch was our best manager this millennium there is no doubt. But fuk me his transfers at the end were woeful. How much of our recent malaise is due to us blowing hundreds of millions on Ndombele, LeCelco, Sessegnon, and Clake. With wages factored in, it must be the best part of a £200m outlay?
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There were a heap of failures, but that's not solely down to Poch.
  • Stambouli
  • N'Jie
  • Fazio
  • Nkoudou
 
Mulletperm said:
There were a heap of failures, but that's not solely down to Poch.
  • Stambouli
  • N'Jie
  • Fazio
  • Nkoudou
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Nothing is solely down to the manager
But w did spend a lot under Poch yet ultimately he had most of his team here already. What he did was coach the players he inherited and let them grow
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Nothing is solely down to the manager
But w did spend a lot under Poch yet ultimately he had most of his team here already. What he did was coach the players he inherited and let them grow
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I think the bolded bit somewhat underestimates the fundamental impact Poch made not only to our squad, but also to the overall club culture and playing style. He inherited and got rid of a lot of underperforming/disruptive players as well as some that were not up to the required level.

Players out

Adebayor
Soldado
Paulinho
Capoue
Chiriches
Naughton
Dawson
Sigurdsson
Kaboul
Lennon
Bentaleb

As to players in, for sure some fell short, but you are always going to get this and anyway most of those were not big money buys. However he also acquired some who became notable successes, eg Alderweireld, Dier (when he switched to DM), Wanyama, Son.
 
Spur of the moment said:
I think the bolded bit somewhat underestimates the fundamental impact Poch made not only to our squad, but also to the overall club culture and playing style. He inherited and got rid of a lot of underperforming/disruptive players as well as some that were not up to the required level.

Players out

Adebayor
Soldado
Paulinho
Capoue
Chiriches
Naughton
Dawson
Sigurdsson
Kaboul
Lennon
Bentaleb

As to players in, for sure some fell short, but you are always going to get this and anyway most of those were not big money buys. However he also acquired some who became notable successes, eg Alderweireld, Dier (when he switched to DM), Wanyama, Son.
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Not really
He literally inherited this very best players when he joined

he had Hugo, Rose, Walker and Jan - 4 of the 5 in the best defence we have had in a very very long time
He had Dembele the irreplaceable CM
Kane the striker along with Eriksen the creator
Dele joined and Dier joined in his first season and he did add Son and Toby to what is the core of the peak Poch team
The issue of course is how long has its took to will take to replace the players that he inherited as there the ones that shined the most under poch
 
billyiddo said:
But Lo Celso hasn't really done anything of note as a CM either for us - certainly never made the position his own, just filled in at best, does that match up to an attacking player scoring/assisting to a decent to good level over a PL season? (of course not)
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Alli has contributed more to us over his career than Lo Celso but neither have been effective for a very long time. Alli doesn’t have injury problems like GLC does so he has that in his favour but he just hasn’t progressed in any aspect of his game. He’s essentially a workhorse like James Milner but doesn’t take penalties.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Alli has contributed more to us over his career than Lo Celso but neither have been effective for a very long time. Alli doesn’t have injury problems like GLC does so he has that in his favour but he just hasn’t progressed in any aspect of his game. He’s essentially a workhorse like James Milner but doesn’t take penalties.
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Which is why we’d be better off keeping Dele and selling Lo Celso (assuming we could find a club that would want him).
 
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