Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
He also cost more money
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Tanguy Ndombele
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Not than Ndombele....
NoLimits01
Goran Bunjevcevic
and without all of the ManU penalty gifts that we would not have got given to us, would he have been that much of a success here?
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Than Lo Celso
FatBloke
Jose Dominguez
Even without the penalties (and associated going down rather easily), Fernandes has been a success. He's been a leader on the pitch and has stepped up whenever it's been needed. Exactly the sort of player that we've been crying out for.
I still hope that Ndombele comes good for us, but it's looking increasingly unlikely. Poch was a bloody great manager in many respects, but player judgement and integration weren't two of them. We'll never know why we had so few transfers for so long -- whether it was a case of Poch saying no to possible transfers or it really being Levy keeping the purse strings tight.
My gut feel is that his goals/assists are less impressive when penalties are removed from both. Statsbomb used to put out npga numbers but I can't find them.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Over half his goals were pens by the end April this year
With 22 being pens from 36 at that point
Be interesting to see how many assists of his were penalties "won" and from free kicks too.
Again, gut feel tells me his open play assists are not nearly as high, although I didn't watch Utd a huge amount last season.
SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
Hopefully he doesn’t base his signings upon seeing the players legs whilst they’re sleeping, like his mentor Bielsa!
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-manager-mauricio-pochettino-reveals-how-marcelo-bielsa-signed-him-in-his-sleep-a3375961.html
Isn't he widely known to not turn up in the big games?,
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
One thing to note is Ndombele is younger than Fernandes by a couple of years.
The issue is money. Arry mentioned it some years ago, in relation to how young players have their hunger taken away with massive paychecks. I think that is very much the issue for Ndombele. If he had to fight to survive he'd be a much better player. As things stand he can always (mentally) fall back on his paycheck "it doesn't matter I'm doing fine". I still think he wants to succeed. Just a lot of the urgency and necessity is taken away. I know we pay a lot of our wages based on performance, so hopefully that mitigates something.
Back to the original point, Ndombele is about the same age Fernandes was when he joined united, he hasn't had the two extra formative years honing his talents in easier leagues, but he can come good. Didn't Fernandes bomb himself in an earlier transfer? The major concern is Ndombele's hunger. Nuno has to press his buttons, and maybe just maybe we can see him come good in a similar way to Dele. Just do the simple things well - train well, be disciplined on the pitch - and Ndombele's natural talent will shine. The sad thing is, Ndombele finds the simple things the most difficult. If he stays I won't be sad, we have the chance of seeing one of the most talented midfielders succeed. Its the hope that kills you...
The issue is money. Arry mentioned it some years ago, in relation to how young players have their hunger taken away with massive paychecks. I think that is very much the issue for Ndombele. If he had to fight to survive he'd be a much better player. As things stand he can always (mentally) fall back on his paycheck "it doesn't matter I'm doing fine". I still think he wants to succeed. Just a lot of the urgency and necessity is taken away. I know we pay a lot of our wages based on performance, so hopefully that mitigates something.
Back to the original point, Ndombele is about the same age Fernandes was when he joined united, he hasn't had the two extra formative years honing his talents in easier leagues, but he can come good. Didn't Fernandes bomb himself in an earlier transfer? The major concern is Ndombele's hunger. Nuno has to press his buttons, and maybe just maybe we can see him come good in a similar way to Dele. Just do the simple things well - train well, be disciplined on the pitch - and Ndombele's natural talent will shine. The sad thing is, Ndombele finds the simple things the most difficult. If he stays I won't be sad, we have the chance of seeing one of the most talented midfielders succeed. Its the hope that kills you...
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Good news to me is true.
Hopefully he's been working on his fitness, would need that regardless of where he ended up playing.
International break could be good for him, a chance to work with Nuno and show that he wants to do what's required to get back onto the team. That's assuming he wants to, and that he's not on international duty (latter assumption seems rather likely, former more of a hope than an assumption I guess).
Robspur12
John Lacy
Not to mention Fernandes will likely be on higher wages than both Lo Celso and Ndombele.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Looking at https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/all_comps/Bruno-Fernandes-Stats---All-Competitions
In all comps: 22 non penalty goals for United. 21 penalty goals for United. 1 missed penalty.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Yep
Not taken a penalty this season
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Assume that one reason he wanted out was because he felt the club was going nowhere. But if we can continue to build on our excellent start, might that be the extra motivation he needs to start competing hard for his place again? A fit and firing Tanguy could be the difference between being thereabouts and going the whole nine yards.
I think he was also a late bloomer so didn't play at a high standard till he was 21 or something like that so he'd only had a couple of seasons at the top level before joining us, could be why his fitness is so poor. Others who have been playing at elite level or had loans etc at a young age are used to a much faster pace, need to keep fit, look after themselves etc.
Definitely the hope that kills you, players that are seriously talented yet refuse to work are the worst of all. I do wonder if they look back in later years and wish they'd sorted themselves out. Compare to Sissoko who doesn't have half the talent yet when he retires he'll be able to say he did what he could, got 70+ caps for France and can be relatively satisfied with his career. I doubt Ndombele will be with his unless he sorts himself out pretty sharpish.
Yiddo
Cecil Poynton
Why on earth would we want to keep a player that doesn’t want to play when brick hits the fan then decides he is happy when we start looking good? fudge him, lazy and is not good enough for us. Skill and talent alone doesn’t make you a great player.