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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Baleforce said:
They are wasting their own prime years, they are both good enough to beat Fulham on their own, they were both utter dogbrick tonight, Son wasn’t concentrating and Kane was hiding.

I’m disgusted with the pair of them.
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What do you thikn Kane and Son think when they see a team sheet like tonight?

"ok, us two and Tanguy have to carry the attack on our own again"

Jose's line-up this evening, and lack of any changes in the first 15-20 mins of the 2nd half tonight, were unacceptable
 
Baleforce said:
They are wasting their own prime years, they are both good enough to beat Fulham on their own, they were both utter dogbrick tonight, Son wasn’t concentrating and Kane was hiding.

I’m disgusted with the pair of them.
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I can’t work out if you’re being genuine or not. Maybe consider the term ‘isolated’. They are human, they can only do so much. They have 7 defensive outfield players and a box to box midfielder with them. It’s a defenders dream, no runners form deep, no sustained pressure in dangerous areas.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I’m down on Jose right now and tinkled at how he keeps making the same mistake. But he has improved players and we might be losing sight of that.

For two years Hugo was very good but making mistakes every other week. There were people on here seriously saying Gazza should be first choice over him. Since the first lockdown, Hugo has made very few mistakes and I can’t think of any calamitous errors (maybe Palace albeit that was harder than it looked).

Aurier is a much better player than he was pre Jose. By and large, the brain farts are gone.

Dier has benefitted from a consistent position and run in the team and I think has been arguably our best player since the first lockdown. He was looking finished under Poch.

Davies has looked more solid.

Ndombele has improved massively under Jose. Some of that is him having settled but some of it is Jose’s management.

A couple of years ago, people were saying Kane and Son couldn’t play together. In the CL season, there was a narrative in the press and on here that we were a better team without Kane. Jose has found a way for them to play together to the extent that everyone thinks they are the best duo in the League and arguably the best in PL history. Harry’s game is also more complete and I’d argue Sons is too. Sadly, in many games recently, I think Jose’s tactics are restricting their ability to show it.
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Fair enough, mate. Here's some counterpoints for you to consider, though -

1) Hugo is not making errors because he has stopped taking any risks whatsoever. He used to be a sweeper keeper - he's now a granite statue stuck to his line, an above averave shot stopper but a poor overall keeper in comparison to the best in the league.

2) Aurier was an atrocious, braindead headless chicken of a footballer, and he isn't now. But how much of that is him, and how much is a system which absolutely babysits him by having *three* players tidying up after him ? (Winks, Sissoko, Sanchez).

3) I know people think Dier's improved, but I'm still doubtful, because, like today, he still fudges up pretty frequently. I think he, and Aurier, and Lloris, have benefited from a system which puts four five defenders ahead of them and then has them do a minimum of thinking - sit deep, clear the ball, repeat. But if we were to play an expansive game, how many of the old flaws would return? I'm guessing a lot.

Improving players, to my mind, means helping them cut out errors and develop their skills, not covering up for their omnipresent weaknesses by building a risk-free defensive system that surrenders the ball to every opponent thst comes knocking, even Fulham.
 
AdamB said:
What do you thikn Kane and Son think when they see a team sheet like tonight?

"ok, us two and Tanguy have to carry the attack on our own again"

Jose's line-up this evening, and lack of any changes in the first 15-20 mins of the 2nd half tonight, were unacceptable
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I’d think give me the ball, I’m good enough to dance through all eleven of them twice before stopping the ball on the line, dropping to my knees and heading it in.

Then I’d win the ball back straight from their centre and do that Kerlon header thing to keep the ball until the end of the half.
 
Benny_Lad said:
I can’t work out if you’re being genuine or not. Maybe consider the term ‘isolated’. They are human, they can only do so much. They have 7 defensive outfield players and a box to box midfielder with them. It’s a defenders dream, no runners form deep, no sustained pressure in dangerous areas.
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But they are not human, they are so superior to PL defences that it’s effectively cheating, but only when they commit to it.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Fair enough, mate. Here's some counterpoints for you to consider, though -

1) Hugo is not making errors because he has stopped taking any risks whatsoever. He used to be a sweeper keeper - he's now a granite statue stuck to his line, an above averave shot stopper but a poor overall keeper in comparison to the best in the league.

2) Aurier was an atrocious, braindead headless chicken of a footballer, and he isn't now. But how much of that is him, and how much is a system which absolutely babysits him by having *three* players tidying up after him ? (Winks, Sissoko, Sanchez).

3) I know people think Dier's improved, but I'm still doubtful, because, like today, he still fudges up pretty frequently. I think he, and Aurier, and Lloris, have benefited from a system which puts four five defenders ahead of them and then has them do a minimum of thinking - sit deep, clear the ball, repeat. But if we were to play an expansive game, how many of the old flaws would return? I'm guessing a lot.

Improving players, to my mind, means helping them cut out errors and develop their skills, not covering up for their omnipresent weaknesses by building a risk-free defensive system that surrenders the ball to every opponent thst comes knocking, even Fulham.
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Bingo. All of those players mentioned are playing in their A1 systems.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Fair enough, mate. Here's some counterpoints for you to consider, though -

1) Hugo is not making errors because he has stopped taking any risks whatsoever. He used to be a sweeper keeper - he's now a granite statue stuck to his line, an above averave shot stopper but a poor overall keeper in comparison to the best in the league.

2) Aurier was an atrocious, braindead headless chicken of a footballer, and he isn't now. But how much of that is him, and how much is a system which absolutely babysits him by having *three* players tidying up after him ? (Winks, Sissoko, Sanchez).

3) I know people think Dier's improved, but I'm still doubtful, because, like today, he still fudges up pretty frequently. I think he, and Aurier, and Lloris, have benefited from a system which puts four five defenders ahead of them and then has them do a minimum of thinking - sit deep, clear the ball, repeat. But if we were to play an expansive game, how many of the old flaws would return? I'm guessing a lot.

Improving players, to my mind, means helping them cut out errors and develop their skills, not covering up for their omnipresent weaknesses by building a risk-free defensive system that surrenders the ball to every opponent thst comes knocking, even Fulham.
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Some good points Sir. And not without merit. I disagree with the main thrust of your argument but I think there is merit in your assertion that the system helps some players more than others (Aurier, Toby and Dier possibly the most. Sissoko too).

On Aurier though, I think Jose has done exactly what you’ve said and weeded out the errors. The Leicester aberration aside, I can’t think of any time he’s been disastrously rash which he always was under Poch. And he’s had chances to be rash despite the system.

On Dier, I’d have to watch again but from what I recall I don’t blame him for the goal. He got beat in the air. That happens especially when the cross comes in from an angle that takes away the defenders advantage by coming across the box in the way it did (rather than at an angle where he can get a running jump). The fault all day long is with Sanchez for getting turned and allowing a cross from such a dangerous area.
 
Mulletperm said:
Thought Kane and Son were poor tonight. I mentioned in the OMT about a number of times they offered absolutely no movement when we had the ball. One occasion Reguilon had done really well and made space and Son/Kane were absolutely static standing next to defenders.
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Son was very much son
He could have scored 2
He was barely visible for most of the game
He is a kinda enigma but he is a hell of a player
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Son was very much son
He could have scored 2
He was barely visible for most of the game
He is a kinda enigma but he is a hell of a player
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Would be interested to see stats showing the timing of his goals. Most seem to come early on in games. He then seems to fade more and more as the game goes on apart from the occasional spell coming back to life.
 
This is "tory brexit spin" level straw clutching I admit.

Poch went because we kept losing games in an embarrassing manner and we were all tinkled off.

We are losing our brick now when we draw in an embarrassing manner.

That is progress on some level.

My expectations are still high. If we get to the end of next season and still haven't won the league then he should be fired, but he should be given that long at a minimum.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Some good points Sir. And not without merit. I disagree with the main thrust of your argument but I think there is merit in your assertion that the system helps some players more than others (Aurier, Toby and Dier possibly the most. Sissoko too).

On Aurier though, I think Jose has done exactly what you’ve said and weeded out the errors. The Leicester aberration aside, I can’t think of any time he’s been disastrously rash which he always was under Poch. And he’s had chances to be rash despite the system.

On Dier, I’d have to watch again but from what I recall I don’t blame him for the goal. He got beat in the air. That happens especially when the cross comes in from an angle that takes away the defenders advantage by coming across the box in the way it did (rather than at an angle where he can get a running jump). The fault all day long is with Sanchez for getting turned and allowing a cross from such a dangerous area.
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Dier didn't get 'beat' in the air.... I would've had no problem if Dier had challenged for that ball and their forward had won the header.... He completely missed the ball. They had one player in the box and Dier wasn't marking him and then didn't win the header.... you do one or the other (mark the player so he doesn't have a free header or win the header before it reaches their sole player. It was absolutely dogbrick defending.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Dier didn't get 'beat' in the air.... I would've had no problem if Dier had challenged for that ball and their forward had won the header.... He completely missed the ball. They had one player in the box and Dier wasn't marking him and then didn't win the header.... you do one or the other (mark the player so he doesn't have a free header or win the header before it reaches their sole player. It was absolutely dogbrick defending.
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Fair enough. Will take another look. Red mist sort of descended when it went in so didn’t watch many replays of it.
 
Mulletperm said:
Thought Kane and Son were poor tonight. I mentioned in the OMT about a number of times they offered absolutely no movement when we had the ball. One occasion Reguilon had done really well and made space and Son/Kane were absolutely static standing next to defenders.
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They have been run into the ground.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
You sack Jose and they will want to leave
There not staying for another rebuild
Jose can sell the current one but I think another would be a push
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Then they'll leave anyway cos we ain't doing anything of note with Jose in charge.

Get the appointment right in the summer and who knows what can happen in a year, more chance of success or the prospect of success that way than playing this one out to it's obvious conclusion.
 
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