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Cryptocurrency

All those lines on that graph represent money-making companies, bricks and motar, or in gold, a usable commodity. Yes they became inflated at some point, but they always had some real value to people. As of yet, bitcoins only value is to allow a tiny amount of illegal spending. The only people using bitcoin are purchasing drugs, and they must account for 0.????% a tiny fraction of all the coins held.

Doesn't that scare anyone? This bubble may well have further to run, but understand that the increases are not based upon value to anyone. The increases are solely fueled by more people speculating and looking to make a fast buck. It is not like droves of people are buying bitcoin to buy drugs, ever-increasing the demand and price (which would be real demand based upon real value). No, bitcoins sole reason for growth is speculation. It may keep going as more people are impressed by the huge returns. But make no mistake there is no value underpinning the asset. When the people stop piling in greedily trying to ride this wave, there isn't a usable asset, commodity, or profit-making company underpinning it.

Cryptocurrencies premise, foundation, and hype is all tied to people using a digital currency for transactions. As of yet, none of these currencies have cracked it as far as I can see. Apart from bitcoin which facilitates a tiny amount of illegal economic activity.

Some say crypto is an alternative to gold. If true, it needs the world to have faith that crypto is as secure as gold. Some have indeed bought into crypto and have true faith, institutional investors as well. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, a piece of blockchain, a digital ledger, is not going to store your money in an apocalyptic scenario. In fact it will be the first to fall if things go pear-shaped because it has no intrinsic value. Gold with 3000+ years of value will remain a valued asset that doesn't need a computer to exist.

The other issues with Crypto: energy consumption, its difficult to spend, and regulation. Bitcoin uses as much electricity a year as Switzerland! That can't be too promising when we are trying to clean up the planet, especially when only a few pot heads and criminals actually make true use of it. The next issue is you can't easily spend bitcoin. It takes considerable time and energy to transfer a crypto payment currently. You couldn't go to Tesco and pay for something with Bitcoin. It would be hugely inefficient to wait half an hour, while X kilowatts of power is used to transact the payment. Then how likely are governments to relinquish control of currencies, taxation, monitoring money laundering?

So is crypto a bubble? Unless everyone believes in it ad infinitum, yes it is. That is not to say digital currencies don't have a future. They do, but it has to be something that people can easily use to pay for things, right?


You need to stop focusing on crypto as only a potential new currency and focus on the underlying technology, Which is the Blockchain. There are something like 2000-3000 different tokens out there from almost every sector of industry. It's the underlying technology of the Blockchain that is the revolution. Bitcoin is just the poster boy.
 
You need to stop focusing on crypto as only a potential new currency and focus on the underlying technology, Which is the Blockchain. There are something like 2000-3000 different tokens out there from almost every sector of industry. It's the underlying technology of the Blockchain that is the revolution. Bitcoin is just the poster boy.

Yep. I write this posting using brave software which gives me bat tokens.
 
See this, some guy has 7k bitcoins and can't remember his password. https://www.theguardian.com/technol...rammer-locked-out-of-his-130m-bitcoin-account

Dont deserve the money if that is the case.

My passwords were all written down in more then one place and not in easy places to find. Like the back side of the draw in a chest of draws and the bottom pane of a wardrobe.

The is also an easy way of doing passwords. Assign the letters of the alphabet a number then use the first letter of the players from 91 cup winning team.

I have no respect or time for this tossers.
 
You need to stop focusing on crypto as only a potential new currency and focus on the underlying technology, Which is the Blockchain. There are something like 2000-3000 different tokens out there from almost every sector of industry. It's the underlying technology of the Blockchain that is the revolution. Bitcoin is just the poster boy.

To be honest, my focus has been on what people are using. I don’t know a lot about this, just learning, but it seems to me Bitcoin is the only blockchain that people have really used for transactions? Mainly on things like the SilkRoad. But also in some hipster businesses, as gifts to say streamers, you could buy pizza with it (I think the site closed now) etc. Bitcoin seems the most established and accepted crypto, all be it still very limited. The only way crypto currency values make sense is if people use the currency for transactions, do you agree?

Which blockchain currency do you think is worth looking at?


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Get your point entirely but the financial markets hardly make sense with 'real' companies either.

Look at Tesla, it's market cap is bigger than all car companies combined. How is that possible for a company who doesn't sell that many cars?

Air BnB IPO'd and was worth more than Marriott which actually owns leases and land. Again, it's nonsensical.

Totally. And you can argue that with quantitative easing blockchains could be currencies that (mostly) don’t print money/dilute money. The hikes in things like Tesla and Bitcoin are probably related to governments printing money during Covid to keep things buoyant. They are both fashionable to invest in and there is more cash circulating, with people having less to do at home and keen to get their cash working while they’re not. Low interest rates means it’s a no brainier.

Tesla and Airbnb will find their value in time. At the moment they promise growth. While their value is debatable, how do you value a currency that is not used to buy anything?


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Get your point entirely but the financial markets hardly make sense with 'real' companies either.

Look at Tesla, it's market cap is bigger than all car companies combined. How is that possible for a company who doesn't sell that many cars?

Air BnB IPO'd and was worth more than Marriott which actually owns leases and land. Again, it's nonsensical.
Don't forget that Tesla has a CEO that consistently takes to Twitter and tries to tank its share value too.
 
Totally. And you can argue that with quantitative easing blockchains could be currencies that (mostly) don’t print money/dilute money. The hikes in things like Tesla and Bitcoin are probably related to governments printing money during Covid to keep things buoyant. They are both fashionable to invest in and there is more cash circulating, with people having less to do at home and keen to get their cash working while they’re not. Low interest rates means it’s a no brainier.

Tesla and Airbnb will find their value in time. At the moment they promise growth. While their value is debatable, how do you value a currency that is not used to buy anything?


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The same way you value the other two businesses
Speculation and what someone’s willing to pay... plus any scarcity value.
Do you know the history of diamonds and how the market was fixed to create value? It’s a great story and shows how you can create a value through marketing
 
The same way you value the other two businesses
Speculation and what someone’s willing to pay... plus any scarcity value.
Do you know the history of diamonds and how the market was fixed to create value? It’s a great story and shows how you can create a value through marketing

Technically you’re not buying a share of a company with Bitcoin or other blockchain. That’s possibly where some confusion lies. People want to be part of this new exciting tech and think they are buying into a business. You’re not. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s akin to buying dollars, or pounds and betting that these are strong currencies that will do well.

Airb and Tesla you can look at their price to earnings ratio, their potential for growth, their turnover, growth of users etc.


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Technically you’re not buying a share of a company with Bitcoin or other blockchain. That’s possibly where some confusion lies. People want to be part of this new exciting tech and think they are buying into a business. You’re not. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s akin to buying dollars, or pounds and betting that these are strong currencies that will do well.

Airb and Tesla you can look at their price to earnings ratio, their potential for growth, their turnover, growth of users etc.


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Yeah true
Your buying a paper commodity at best
But there is nothing to say that air bnb will exist and have the met rails value. And their value is in £ or $ terms.
It is though as you say, currency speculation , just currency not backed by a government.
 
Technically you’re not buying a share of a company with Bitcoin or other blockchain. That’s possibly where some confusion lies. People want to be part of this new exciting tech and think they are buying into a business. You’re not. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s akin to buying dollars, or pounds and betting that these are strong currencies that will do well.

Airb and Tesla you can look at their price to earnings ratio, their potential for growth, their turnover, growth of users etc.


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You need to think of bitcoin as more of a commodity.

Nobody will be creating more of it, demand and value will track very well.
 
You need to think of bitcoin as more of a commodity.

Nobody will be creating more of it, demand and value will track very well.

Yes I have been hence comparing it to gold. Commodities traditionally have underlying value though. Coffee, coper etc. you can use them to make coffee or manufacture something. You can not use blockchain to pay for (most) things yet. If you are saying Bitcoin is a place to store money, gold would be the best comparison no?
 
Yes I have been hence comparing it to gold. Commodities traditionally have underlying value though. Coffee, coper etc. you can use them to make coffee or manufacture something. You can not use blockchain to pay for (most) things yet. If you are saying Bitcoin is a place to store money, gold would be the best comparison no?
That depends on howuch gold supplies are dwindling.

There will never be any more BTC
 
That depends on howuch gold supplies are dwindling.

There will never be any more BTC

There will be less Bitcoin as muppets forget their passwords! But what is this halving thing @Danishfurniturelover

You just said bitcoins are more of a commodity, pretty much all commodities can be mined or farmed. I guess bitcoins too?

One of the things that is used to create more interest in Bitcoin is comparing it to gold. If you take all the value of gold that is in circulation and been identified in the ground, Bitcoin is but a fraction of the value. Thus people think it has a lot further to grow. Me, I am not so sure. I don’t foresee national banks and most people turning to Bitcoin instead of gold.


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back to Crypto, awaiting coinbase to verify.

Where can i find some good info on what Cryptos are potential investments for me to play with? Appreciate your help all.
 
I’m sure Danish will be along shortly to give some advice.

Personally I’ve got a few quid in loopring, ripple and Tezos at the moment

Loopring and Tezos I’m trading and ripple I’m in for the long haul to see what happens with the SEC lawsuit

Oh and VET isn’t a bad one but I think it’s on the up at the moment so might only be worth it for a quick trade
 
There will be less Bitcoin as muppets forget their passwords! But what is this halving thing @Danishfurniturelover

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Every few years the mathematical equations used in the mining of bitcoin halve none as the halvening.

It means the coins will have more scarcity and every time this has happened the value has gone up.

It was the surest bet in April to put money into bitcoin.

As @scaramanga said they cant create anymore, the is a limit to it.

I'm on my freetrade apps forum more then this one now. So a little tip on shares, go for lemonade money, it is looking good.
 
I’m sure Danish will be along shortly to give some advice.

Personally I’ve got a few quid in loopring, ripple and Tezos at the moment

Loopring and Tezos I’m trading and ripple I’m in for the long haul to see what happens with the SEC lawsuit

Oh and VET isn’t a bad one but I think it’s on the up at the moment so might only be worth it for a quick trade

I'm still in on a few like you with ripple for the long haul. Interesting they are talking about burning coins which would be amazing going ahead.

Have a few hundred in so many altcoins it is impossible to list them all.
 
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