Hydroelectric, wind, tidal, they all have to spin a turbine to generate electricity.
Solar is just about the only outlier and the transfer of that is no more efficient than that of a nuclear plant.
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Solar is just about the only outlier and the transfer of that is no more efficient than that of a nuclear plant.
Not having a go but you're obviously someone with a keen interest in climate change and willing to make sacrifices for it and have done so for many years so if you have a job that travels why didn't you look to move into a role/job that requires less travel?
This is a different argument about keeping them really, the economics of maintaining safety and extending the lifetime of existing reactors coupled with the available capacity versus future needs is driving new stations. If they were state owned then there would be different interests at play and I think in that scenario they'd be extended for longer but for someone like EDF it makes more sense for them to build a new one (or it did at the outset of the project).
Ultimately they will be needed in some capacity until better storage options are available for renewables, you can see in Germany which has tried to swith to renwables at a quick pace that when there's no wind etc they need to burn fossil fuels for their power, I'd say nuclear is a better option than reverting back to coal.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Keeping them as a stop-gap until something else comes in its place is accepted wisdom in climate circles. The horrendous toxic waste it produces as of now is the lesser of two evils in terms of power production. We need to deal with the main problem first, which is carbon into the atmosphere and nuclear is a very low carbon alternative.
My opinion on the way things will ultimately pan out in this part of the world (with the right political will) is that offshore and on-land wind will continue to ramp up, domestic solar will eventually take up about 1/4 of the demand, domestic storage will drive down the stress on the grid, new grid wide storage systems will come online, whether batteries or something else and occasionally they'll crank up the old nuclear power stations when there is no wind anywhere in the middle of the night and everyone's batteries are dead. This sounds like a fantasy but we are actually on the path to this scenario now in some 1st world countries.
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thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
It is impossible for me to make a living and not have some travel involved. When I do not have to fly, I work from home and have done for over three and a half decades. Again, in my case, my job is not quite as you might imagine, making roles/jobs requiring less travel tough.
I have made several changes over the decades in other areas, largely around food, what we buy, where we buy it from, eating seasonally and locally (including produce) and eliminating red meat from our diet a long time ago. When home (as I have been for sometime - like you!) I cycle to do local (12 mile radius) errands. It is not the greatest effort known to mankind but I am doing my bit as best I can within the parameters of my life.
It is a valid question, and no-one should be afraid to answer it honestly. One of the greatest battles in life anyone will have is recognizing the principles v hypocrisy scale. It gets harder to manage as we get older; I have long had what I consider to be very strong principles and ethics, yet by buying a Nike product I am just another tiny cog in the machine. The only way I can deal with that, is to try and make as many choices as possible within ethical boundaries, and I find the easiest way to do that is with food. We are near farms, and as such, buying locally from local producers is more expensive but exponentially worth it. Plus I get on my bike to go pick it up!!!! I can only say/confess that I am far from the model of excellence and would put myself at around 65% striving to be better.
p.s. I found your earlier posts -along with Rorschach and Scara's on this topic- to be interesting and informative. This whole conversation has been cracking IMO.
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
This explains a few things...
https://www.psypost.org/2019/09/peo...ly-to-hold-right-wing-views-study-finds-54369
There had to be a rational explanation for Scara's views.
https://www.psypost.org/2019/09/peo...ly-to-hold-right-wing-views-study-finds-54369
There had to be a rational explanation for Scara's views.
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What does it say about the intelligence level of those who fail to understand the nuances of another's political leanings?
glasgowspur
Dimitar Berbatov
New research from Belgium provides evidence that deficits in emotion understanding and emotion management are related to right-wing and prejudiced attitudes. The study has been published in the journal Emotion.
First paragraph, so only right wing people have prejudices.
Think I'll stop there.
Of even greater concern is their confluence of the economically right wing and the socially right wing as if the two are somehow the same and inseparable. Not an uncommon mistake, but one I'd expect anyone going to the effort of researching a paper to understand at the outset.
Legohamster
Cecil Poynton
Anyone watching the debate on WA ?
Johnson looks done.
Johnson looks done.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Such a shambles. Johnson has a massive majority but even his own party are not happy. Imagine if we signed an agreement with the EU, only for them to tear it up a year later.
Tobias Ellwood, the chair of the defence select committee: “Everything is getting very high-octane, and the collateral damage to Britain is reaching the US Congress, where people are bewildered we are going down this avenue.
“Many of us are conflicted because I came into politics to further Britain’s place on the international stage, and now we are at a time where there is an absence of political leadership, and we can’t hold our heads up high if we are being seen to challenge international law.”
So many Conservatives not happy. It is pretty shocking, makes the UK under this current lot look like a 3rd rate untrustworthy nation.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I was watching Miliband. It was good though he had plenty of material to work with.
That would be their prerogative. No supranational entity should be able to tie a nation into servitude.
If they no longer want the deal, they can go back to not offering us anything and not getting anything in return. That's fine.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
That is not how international agreement and cooperation works. It just shows how deluded these "brexiteers" are. The term Brexiteer makes them sound gallant. But lets not fool ourselves, there is no honour in breaking your word.
Interesting and appreciate the response, you're far more dedicated and have greater willpower than me which is probably why things aren't profressing as fast as they could do.
One thing which is never mentioned on here is can you really be a climate change advocate and support us at the same time. I mean at the top of football there's money being poured in from individuals/nations that has come from fossil fuels, most of the merchandise is made in highly polluting countries like China, the players most likely all drive has guzzlers and the teams fly everywhere by private jet. Sure some of the new stadiums and facilities are probably more efficient but football at the top level is a massively polluting industry.
It's precisely how international agreements work.
They don't tend to fall apart because both sides gain from the agreement. This is a perfect example of what happens when one side forces the other into an agreement that doesn't suit them (helped by traitors in our own parliament and legal system, of course).
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
You're suggesting the EU forced us into brexit and the withdrawal agreement? That there is no responsibility on our government to a. sign good agreements they are happy with and b. to stick to our legally binding agreements? That should not be our government's basic responsibility?
We would not wish to sign a trade agreement only for the nation who signed it to say 1 year later, sorry mate, we didn't really mean it. We're going to tear up that contract. That is how Banana Republics or nations like Venezuela behave. This is why people on Boris' own team, people who believe in brexit, are deeply concerned by the message he is sending to the world.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Again brilliant questions, and I am particularly aware of the travel conundrum as my situation would often involve similar. Again, hypocrisy is unavoidable unless you're Amish?!