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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

billyiddo said:
Where is the new strategy and philosophy we were promised when he was appointed?

Same old same old, fudging another year of this brick
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half an hour against Sheffield aside, we’ve been much much better defensively, it felt like we were shipping 3/4 goals a game before we made the change
 
[I posted this in the match thread but it probably belongs here - or anywhere else where I can moan about Mourinho)

We are going to have problems attracting the players we need/Mourinho wants. Not only do we have limited funds and are probably out of Europe and mid-division, but we also have a manager who appears to want his teams to play an unattractive (and I think outdated) style of football. If they have a choice, which they probably will, is playing for Mourinho, in a Mourinho team, still an attractive proposition compared to other options.

It might have been once, in a team full of other stars, with a big transfer budget, and a recent track record of success. Maybe you could overlook the defensive style and the volatile personality. But our current set up is some way from that. We have a great stadium, a rich tradition, and we are London based (not necessarily as much of an attraction in a coronavirus affected world)...but is that enough of a pull?
 
galeforce said:
half an hour against Sheffield aside, we’ve been much much better defensively, it felt like we were shipping 3/4 goals a game before we made the change
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We conceded 3 or more twice in all comps this season before the change and have done so 3 times since the change.

Atm it feels like we need a miracle to score more than one, george graham eat your heat out
 
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Jurgen the German said:
I’ll rephrase. There’s no precedent for him doing so. I’m scratching my head as to how every team is in the same situation re the lockdown but most looks better than we do now. Outplayed by Bournemouth ffs who have been awful all season. And that’s with our injured top players back from injury. How much worse would it have been without Kane and Son?
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I’d say most teams look very mixed post covid
Look at results
We beat Everton and they drew with Liverpool who have won the league (before tonight that 0-0 was the worst game I’d seen in a long time)
The only team IMO who looks better is united and they now have a fully fit team and are using all their 5 subs and have the penalties to help if they struggle
Everyone else is really up and down
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I’d say most teams look very mixed post covid
Look at results
We beat Everton and they drew with Liverpool who have won the league (before tonight that 0-0 was the worst game I’d seen in a long time)
The only team IMO who looks better is united and they now have a fully fit team and are using all their 5 subs and have the penalties to help if they struggle
Everyone else is really up and down
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I'd snatch your hands off for up and down right now
 
ringo said:
[I posted this in the match thread but it probably belongs here - or anywhere else where I can moan about Mourinho)

We are going to have problems attracting the players we need/Mourinho wants. Not only do we have limited funds and are probably out of Europe and mid-division, but we also have a manager who appears to want his teams to play an unattractive (and I think outdated) style of football. If they have a choice, which they probably will, is playing for Mourinho, in a Mourinho team, still an attractive proposition compared to other options.

It might have been once, in a team full of other stars, with a big transfer budget, and a recent track record of success. Maybe you could overlook the defensive style and the volatile personality. But our current set up is some way from that. We have a great stadium, a rich tradition, and we are London based (not necessarily as much of an attraction in a coronavirus affected world)...but is that enough of a pull?
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Do we have a manager who wants to play like that or one that believe he has to play a certain way due to the players he has
 
Grays_1890 said:
They had one chalked off today and missed a 1-1 and we didn’t have a shot on target.

I don’t see today as a success in any way shape or form
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rightly chalked off and a 1-1 worked to a player with a low conversion rate who would have been schemed differently to others

it was brick no doubt, but we didn’t steal a point, it was a fair drawer between a team low on quality but strong on system/work rate and a team high on quality who couldn’t be arsed to show it
 
ringo said:
[I posted this in the match thread but it probably belongs here - or anywhere else where I can moan about Mourinho)

We are going to have problems attracting the players we need/Mourinho wants. Not only do we have limited funds and are probably out of Europe and mid-division, but we also have a manager who appears to want his teams to play an unattractive (and I think outdated) style of football. If they have a choice, which they probably will, is playing for Mourinho, in a Mourinho team, still an attractive proposition compared to other options.

It might have been once, in a team full of other stars, with a big transfer budget, and a recent track record of success. Maybe you could overlook the defensive style and the volatile personality. But our current set up is some way from that. We have a great stadium, a rich tradition, and we are London based (not necessarily as much of an attraction in a coronavirus affected world)...but is that enough of a pull?
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London is huge
The club pay big wages despite what some fans think
And Jose is a name players want to play for
But it comes down to £££ and choosing the right ones
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The results show that
We beat West Ham quite comfortably, they beat 3rd place Chelsea who game before had beaten Emirates Marketing Project, who then lost to Southampton away where they had shocking form all season
It’s all over the place
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It's literally awful isn't it
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The results show that
We beat West Ham quite comfortably, they beat 3rd place Chelsea who game before had beaten Emirates Marketing Project, who then lost to Southampton away where they had shocking form all season
It’s all over the place
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We're on the same trajectory performance wise since the opening run of games when he first took over - absoloute brick
 
When he got the job, I expected two things. 1. The players wouldn't look as good as under Poch. Few can get such strong performances out of average players as Poch can. 2. We'd be better defensively.

Although I'd take Poch back in a heartbeat, we have to be realistic. Mourinho will get us defensively sound, then try and sign some players who can give us attacking spark.

The key for me - since last summer, even before then - has been the midfield. We need more quality in CM, then we need time and patience and to rebuild.
 
elltrev said:
On the evidence of this table that I created! It shows rolling average five year net spend on transfer fees among the 'big six' (i.e. the 18/19 row shows that team's average net spend from 14-19).

It starts roughly from when Levy was appointed (December 2000), and the horizontal line represents roughly when the stadium build was announced (October 2008).

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I think it shows pretty clearly that prior to the announcement of the stadium our spend on transfers was competitive - more than Arsenal (presumably due in part to their own stadium build at the time), and comparable to Liverpool and Man Utd (despite them having much higher revenues than us at the time).

Then after the announcement of the stadium, you can clearly see our spending gradually decrease (and Arsenal's increase, after their own period of austerity).

And though it's not included in this table (because the website that I use isn't up to date), this season - the first after which the stadium has been completed - we've spent £160m+ on Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Bergwijn and Clarke.

Interested to hear whether that has any impact on your views!
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Apologies for the delay in getting back to this, been busy today and poor @billyiddo seems to be upset by this.

Firt of all @elltrev thanks for the brilliant work and i love a bit of conditional formatting, did you see this on TransferMkt? They've done a 10 year review too (scroll down a bit) but doesn't go as far back as your version so appreciate it's not the full 'shabang'.

As you can see from this, compared to the rest of the league, our spend in Millions is akin to Burnley or Southampton. We can say "the stadium cost money" but we we haven't paid for the stadium yet. There's loans set aside from that, and this year we topped the PL earnings on Profit. Actual profit.

As i said, Levy got a £7m bonus but Jordan Ayew has 10 PL goals this season and cost £2.5m. We just drew 0-0 to Bournemouth with zero shots on goal and one senior striker in the squad, that's not prioritising a football team?

Another thing to flag, is net spend takes no bearing of wages. Based on our Wage to turnover review, Tottenham run around 39% (Guardian or Independent usually do an annual review). Most PL clubs run wage structures closer to 55%+. So even when we outlay on players, it's fair to say based on Wages we're purchasing entirely different players to other clubs. And that's my point, i've not seen any evidence of us purchasing players to put Spurs in a competitive position.

If we were interested in putting the team into a competitive position, we wouldn't spend every summer signing key players 3 weeks after the season has started.
 
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