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Harry Kane MBE

Bedfordspurs said:
What did you make of it though as a venue and the organisation ?
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I thought the stadium was great! Very very good. Organization was poor, no clear directions at the ground thus a zombie shuffle to the fence where a gap appeared and then all if a sudden you were nearly in. The lack of drinking water in the ground was poor. The way they split the metro stations was odd and walking back afterwards there was no signage to the station we were alloted (ubered in before the game which was easy!). Police were very decent I found. I made sure to have a great time and not focus on these bits, however it could’ve been much better organized.
 
thfcsteff said:
I thought the stadium was great! Very very good. Organization was poor, no clear directions at the ground thus a zombie shuffle to the fence where a gap appeared and then all if a sudden you were nearly in. The lack of drinking water in the ground was poor. The way they split the metro stations was odd and walking back afterwards there was no signage to the station we were alloted (ubered in before the game which was easy!). Police were very decent I found. I made sure to have a great time and not focus on these bits, however it could’ve been much better organized.
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We had a great laugh but have to agree the ground set up was farcical
 
90291Spur said:
Re Kane's fitness and selection when returning from injury

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-half-fit-harry-kane-nations-champions-league

I have to say that this article makes a lot of sense. To me. But what do I know (answers on a postcard please).
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'England and Spurs need to realize that a half-fit Harry Kane is no use'.

No. Harry Kane needs to realize that a half-fit Harry Kane is no use.

I love the man, but his competitive streak is slowly burning him out, and he needs to really, truly rest and come back fit.

Personally, I would be 100% fine with him not coming back into action until Sep.10 - three months from now, after the start of the season.

We can do without him for a little bit - give him that time to rest, train and get back into shape. Because otherwise, a sixth ankle injury and even more sluggishness is coming.
 
DubaiSpur said:
'England and Spurs need to realize that a half-fit Harry Kane is no use'.

No. Harry Kane needs to realize that a half-fit Harry Kane is no use.

I love the man, but his competitive streak is slowly burning him out, and he needs to really, truly rest and come back fit.

Personally, I would be 400% fine with him not coming back into action until Sep.10 - three months from now, after the start of the season.

We can do without him for a little bit - give him that time to rest, train and get back into shape. Because otherwise, a sixth ankle injury and even more sluggishness is coming.
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Agreed but if the managers are unwilling to tell him the truth, it is also a sore point. I am not happy that he started the match.
 
afsoc4life said:
Agreed but if the managers are unwilling to tell him the truth, it is also a sore point. I am not happy that he started the match.
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I have no doubt that Poch told him the truth. But I also have little doubt that Poch gives Harry an enormous amount of leeway to decide when he's fit and when he isn't - seems part of Poch's loyalty to him, and his approach in terms of encouraging belief that his players can beat the odds.

I agree, though - going forward Poch would benefit from being more stern in this area. A bit of short-term pain could mean a longer-term gain.

As for Southgate, I have no idea if he told Kane anything. The FA have a habit of calling up our players to play these utterly meaningless glorified friendlies on a regular basis, regardless of their condition. Winksy is the only exception to that - ironic, because the team could have done with him against the Dutch and the Swiss.
 
Looking forward to seeing him getting a good break and hopefully reflecting that he doesn’t necessarily need to play every game to fulfil his ambitions. I think initially he thought he could post messi or Ronaldo like appearance numbers but he needs to listen to his body.
 
He needs a break big time but we also need Poch to rest him now and again and also sign someone else who can play upfront when needed and relieve the burden.

The other thing that needs to change is him always dropping into midfield and trying to be Rooney, he's so much more use to us staying up top and leading the line.
 
He doesn’t play anymore than Ronaldo, Messi, Modric, Salah, etc. The best players usually play almost all games for their clubs and country. I don’t think resting him is as much of an issue as it’s made out to be. Resting him wouldn’t have prevented his ankle issues.

Rushing him back from the injuries I see an argument for being a problem though, although I’d say it’s sharpness he lacks when he comes back and the best way you get that is by playing.

FWIW I’d have had him on the bench in the final, brought on for last 30 minutes.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I have no doubt that Poch told him the truth. But I also have little doubt that Poch gives Harry an enormous amount of leeway to decide when he's fit and when he isn't - seems part of Poch's loyalty to him, and his approach in terms of encouraging belief that his players can beat the odds.

I agree, though - going forward Poch would benefit from being more stern in this area. A bit of short-term pain could mean a longer-term gain.

As for Southgate, I have no idea if he told Kane anything. The FA have a habit of calling up our players to play these utterly meaningless glorified friendlies on a regular basis, regardless of their condition. Winksy is the only exception to that - ironic, because the team could have done with him against the Dutch and the Swiss.
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This is my point about Poch. It's all good being a coach/best friend/favourite uncle but the bottom line is his job is to manage. Start getting all Fergie on the situation when it comes to England, and when it comes to Tottenham ease Kane back into games. There's nothing wrong with starting on the bench, he could analyse the game, see a weakness in the defence and then exploit it when he comes on in the 70th for example.
 
Surely whenever you come back from injury there's a good chance you're going to lack full match sharpness? Does it not follow that you need actual game time in order to reach it?

Given his outstanding scoring record and the fact that Rashford was injured I don't blame Southgate for starting Kane, it was always going to be worth a punt. And his performance was hardly that bad either.

Seems some on here may be a little too eager to chime in with the prevailing narrative that he needs three months off.

Pfft. Had his clever swivel and instant shot crept just inside the post instead of whistling just past maybe we'd have been spared this turgid narrative.
 
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