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The Cricket Thread

Grays_1890 said:
I think its been good but there is a balance which has now gone too far.

With the T20 which was a success for counties its not been enough, they are going to break up the game even further with the 100 game....unreal to be honest
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I fail to see how it has had any benefit to the batting standards of the county game, we now have bowlers who can't or don't want to bowl more than 10 overs a week. Again its the money the administrators want, why not scrap the T20 and have drunks fighting kangaroos and topless waitress bringing round drinks with lots of loud music and cartoons on big screen.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I fail to see how it has had any benefit to the batting standards of the county game, we now have bowlers who can't or don't want to bowl more than 10 overs a week. Again its the money the administrators want, why not scrap the T20 and have drunks fighting kangaroos and topless waitress bringing round drinks with lots of loud music and cartoons on big screen.
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Essex has done very well out of it and as a competition for a time it would fit well into our schedule. When it was good for counties we had Andy Flower and he would adapt his game from 4 day to 1 day to T20, then it turned into players coming in specialist players to play this that and the other and thats where it all went nuts, in my opinion.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
T20 is killing proper cricket in this country, in the past county sides would import world class players which gave county players the opportunity to play against the best, now top players follow the money and only play limited first class cricket. Young players see the way to earn big money is by smashing the ball around in a short space of time on batting pitches and don't develop the skills to play long innings on pitches that change over the period of a game. There seems to me a lack of mental toughness in the players and like football the people who run the game can only see the money and care little for the people who love the game and pay their own money to watch the game.
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I posted similar earlier in the thread, one day cricket and the amount of it has produced batsman who can hit the ball out of the park but it has made sure that they no longer have the skills to play test cricket at its best. Anything different from wam bam thank you mam is a dying skill.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Essex has done very well out of it and as a competition for a time it would fit well into our schedule. When it was good for counties we had Andy Flower and he would adapt his game from 4 day to 1 day to T20, then it turned into players coming in specialist players to play this that and the other and thats where it all went nuts, in my opinion.
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T20 is such a massive chunk of revenue for Essex, 8 or so home games all sold out 6,500 tickets plus all hospitality, they just don't get that from any other forms of the game
 
That's great for Essex but what does it do for Englands test team? I think most top players can adapt their game but T20 has developed the specialist player who can earn more playing bash ball than test cricket. It's as if you only played 5 a side football and had to play a proper game you would struggle.

T20 isn't the only problem with English cricket the system that stops England players playing county games does help, as county teams end up with no top players in county matches.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
That's great for Essex but what does it do for Englands test team? I think most top players can adapt their game but T20 has developed the specialist player who can earn more playing bash ball than test cricket. It's as if you only played 5 a side football and had to play a proper game you would struggle.

T20 isn't the only problem with English cricket the system that stops England players playing county games does help, as county teams end up with no top players in county matches.
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Well it enables Essex to invest in other areas of the club which includes youth production. In fairness as a small county Essex has done well in that respect, Foakes was an Essex lad as was Mills and Topley just to name three. Westley came through the ranks and although given fleeting England honours at least he came to the party. Their title winning side was made up of the likes of Porter, Bopara, Browne, Cook, Wheater.

Porter took hundreds of wickets over two seasons and was not picked, I would suggest as I said earlier England have selection issues more than T20 issues. If you can't knock on the door after taking 64 wickets in 12 games then its not a county problem.

T20 in moderation is a good thing for the game the problem comes from there being 4/5 global tournaments where you lose your players when one domestic version would be enough in my opinion, now you add the 100 series and it becomes more of a strain on the game, thats where the problem lies, the sheer volume.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Well it enables Essex to invest in other areas of the club which includes youth production. In fairness as a small county Essex has done well in that respect, Foakes was an Essex lad as was Mills and Topley just to name three. Westley came through the ranks and although given fleeting England honours at least he came to the party. Their title winning side was made up of the likes of Porter, Bopara, Browne, Cook, Wheater.

Porter took hundreds of wickets over two seasons and was not picked, I would suggest as I said earlier England have selection issues more than T20 issues. If you can't knock on the door after taking 64 wickets in 12 games then its not a county problem.

T20 in moderation is a good thing for the game the problem comes from there being 4/5 global tournaments where you lose your players when one domestic version would be enough in my opinion, now you add the 100 series and it becomes more of a strain on the game, thats where the problem lies, the sheer volume.
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It's always going to be a problem breaking into the test team for quick bowlers with Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Stokes in the team with Curran, Archer and Wood also waiting, its top three batsmen we cant produce. I don't understand why they have they give up on Hales and Roy as at least we might have 50 runs on the board after 10 overs than the 8 or so we've managed with the shotless players we have tried. You're right it's the volume of T20 which has created the problem and the money that ensure players concentrate on that rather than playing county cricket which weakens the teams and the competition. I think England were unlucky Gubbins got injured last season as he is a good attacking opener against quick bowling.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
It's always going to be a problem breaking into the test team for quick bowlers with Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Stokes in the team with Curran, Archer and Wood also waiting, its top three batsmen we cant produce. I don't understand why they have they give up on Hales and Roy as at least we might have 50 runs on the board after 10 overs than the 8 or so we've managed with the shotless players we have tried. You're right it's the volume of T20 which has created the problem and the money that ensure players concentrate on that rather than playing county cricket which weakens the teams and the competition. I think England were unlucky Gubbins got injured last season as he is a good attacking opener against quick bowling.
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I agree on the bowlign to an extent but I still maintain that if the top wicket taker over 3 season can't get a sniff over Curran (we didnt know his batting would be so good when originally selected) then the system is abit fudged.

I think the selection and poor selection has contributed to the issue, like I said waiting 10 years to give Denly a go and 5 years too late for Burns to have a crack, often dropping players based on a couple of bad games where you see with the West Indies, probably forced, their players get the chance to fail in order to progress and they now see the fruit of their labour.
 
Yeah Denley selection was strange, bit like the old David Steele pick years ago, I dont see as much cricket as the selectors but the 4 or 5 times I've seen Jennings he has never looked a test player at county level, he has a limited range of shots against pace bowling and just accumulates runs against average attacks (like most due to T20 and England contracts). I'm bias but think Gubbins is a far better player and prospect, unfortunately hes been injured.
 
markysimmo said:
A Gayle hitting masterclass 135, one of his 9 sixes went 122 metres
360 to get, England can defo a have a go
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Always felt we could chase that down, combination of Windies bowlers not that great and our strong batting lineup. It is ridiculously strong in OD, would be interested to see how Roy does opening in text cricket. Can't be any worse than Jennings....
 
harr1984 said:
Always felt we could chase that down, combination of Windies bowlers not that great and our strong batting lineup. It is ridiculously strong in OD, would be interested to see how Roy does opening in text cricket. Can't be any worse than Jennings....
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For me I think he would do well, you would have to take the failures but he will definately get some innings that click, Jennings does not even have them
 
Grays_1890 said:
Same for me, played cricket and got no time for it
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Saw it happen once in a second XI game, other skipper ask the umpire to ignore appeal and took bowler off for rest of game, whole team was deeply embarrassed, the bowler spent the evening apologising to everyone. When I played it was expected you warn the batsman about it, but I understand it's not done now but you cant do it if the bowler has started his delivery action, which Ashwin had.
 
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