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*** OMT: Tottenham Hotspur vs Leicester City ***
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Baleforce
Ron Henry
Daisuk
Les Medley
Not sure if fortunate or efficient is the word for our display, but the stats are quite clear, Leicester created more good chances than us, and would've normally won that match (as we normally would've won the United game a few weeks back). Still though, you win some, you lose some.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
That reminds me of when i first took my girl, she actually cuddled up and fell a sleep.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
xG stats are my favourite buttplug ( cue all the stats freaks posting in reply),Back to the game unlike some i have spoken too since it was a decent game to watch, two sides having a go at each other and trying to win the game. One of the problems Spurs have now is that since we have become a very good side a lot of games i go to now are dull as most sides set out to play defense to keep us out.
Leicester at least tried to win the game and it led to a end to end game.
Leicester at least tried to win the game and it led to a end to end game.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
I can see with my own eyes what type of chances are created in a game ( most folks can), i do not need some stats obsessed wanabbe explain it to me. Do not get me wrong stats are a tool and can be handy but the game is getting stats mad and we are as bad as the yanks are with everything having to be analysed to the max.
And that is from someone who has used stats in my working life, as i said that can be useful but they are a tool no more no less.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I can't see how our Xg is less than 2 because we scored 3 goal that you would always expect to score, a point blank header and a 1 on 1
They had no chances in the first half that were clear and 2 in the second plus the penalty IMO
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Hotshot-Tottenham
Dean Richards
decimated
It’s 10% I’ll never get back.
Yermiyahu
Scott Parker
In fairness to the King of the jungle, his point was that it would be difficult to improve our squad without spending on top, top players on massive wages and large transfer fees. I make him right, buying better than what we have is going to be difficult unless we unearth another Dele or Bale. I can't believe that we missed that Brooks lad that went to Bournmouth.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
According to the numbers they did...I thought they were a good looking team, with a nice youthful dynamic, that actually presented very little actual incision/game changing quality.
The one that really got me was Tielemans, with the commentary positively gushing about him - but what did he actually do? Nice touch, some nice passes, and absolutely nothing of any particular worth.
I like Maguire. I thought Barnes looked bright (but raw), similarly Ghezzal. Maddison was annonymous, Gray was out of position 90% of the time. Pereira had some nice touches but was caught out. Chilwell - I really dont see what the fuss is about (plenty linking him on here as a target). And I have to say I think Schmeichal is a very good keeper.
"Played us off the park" is utter nonsense.
While we were far from our best, even with a basically hamstrung attack we were the better team and deserved winners - despite them having the ref onside for the whole game. He even tried to give them a goal with a penalty that never was, and they still lost.
Played us off the park...
The problem is this
xG categorizes the "quality of the chance" however fails to understand the player the chance falls to.
Leicester fans/pundits say "Spurs were lucky" here's my reality, give 10 of exactly the same chances to Kane/Son/Eriksen/Dele and any 4 from any other side in the league, most days our 4 will outscore the others ..
We used to complain about exactly the same thing for all the years when we would "give a good account" against top 4 sides, would dominate longs stretches, then other side would get one chance and bury it, And I bet the xG would have said we should have won, but it was the quality that kills.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
So the problem here is not that it's stats, it's that the stats are incomplete. If you had a way to layer in player quality, according to what you're saying xG would paint a more accurate picture. The problem is now how to gauge player quality. I'm sure someone will figure it out (FIFA19 could be a start).
Yes, like any stat, it has some use .. but you need to apply intelligence to it.
It will help separate the wild pot shots/low percentage nonsense, but like possession, it doesn't say anything unless you watch the game and understand the context.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
You can. But you have 60+ years experience not only as a fan, but as someone who has worked in the game. For most average football viewers, however, it gives them a better sense of the game. It's not perfect and still not 100% accurate, but it's a good start.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
I wouldn’t say incomplete, xG is the “average return” from “average player” in each unique situation.
Very few “chances” (if any?) carry an xG score of 1 because there is always some muppet somewhere who has missed from there.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Bingo.