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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

DeanoAustin said:
Ah come on mate, I completely disagree with Dubai’s take on this but to say he’d be better off supporting Chelsea?!? fudging hell, I’m not sure there’s a lower place to go than supporting those clams.
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Not telling him to support Chelsea, just saying if that's how the cards were dealt when he was a kid, they'd be aligned and he'd be happy.

Although I'm sure he's not unhappy now......but it does feel like it sometimes.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Ah come on mate, I completely disagree with Dubai’s take on this but to say he’d be better off supporting Chelsea?!? fudging hell, I’m not sure there’s a lower place to go than supporting those clams.
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Honestly, most of the time it really does feel like DubaiSpur is a WUM who supports another club, just here to waste Spurs fan's time.

Can't remember the last positive post and not sure what joy he gets out of supporting Spurs, if any.

There's just zero balance.
 
We have just lost 2 cup games gone behind at home. If we were bottlers we would not have won here, it is a few times we have come from behind this season.

Poch is true about fans being to melodramatic, I am guilty of this as well cos I was sat here thinking we would lose. We need to trust this guy with all our hearts, all those tw*ts bitching about him after a cup match. Tell me how many managers could have honestly got this team to win today being behind in the last 15 minutes.
 
thfcsteff said:
BTW, let's lay off specific people yeah? I know Dubai and myself have had our debates, but he arrives in earnest and I believe genuinely does worry about things, albeit in a way I cannot fathom. But again, please lay-off. Thanks folks.
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Being singled out as a 'Spurs PR team member' for trying to keep things positive and spread common sense is okay though? It works both ways no?

The usual negative nancies were revelling in our cup disappointmens and whipping up the Levy and Poch out nonsense. They're absolutely gutted we beat Watford. Gutted. What do they moan about now?
 
thfcsteff said:
BTW, let's lay off specific people yeah? I know Dubai and myself have had our debates, but he arrives in earnest and I believe genuinely does worry about things, albeit in a way I cannot fathom. But again, please lay-off. Thanks folks.
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Thanks, mate. Although honestly, I'm used to it now - I'm still happy to engage with folks if they want to genuinely discuss things, but I bite back more when they just want to get a shot off. Just harder to do when there's ten of them at once. :p

ricky2tricky4city said:
Not telling him to support Chelsea, just saying if that's how the cards were dealt when he was a kid, they'd be aligned and he'd be happy.

Although I'm sure he's not unhappy now......but it does feel like it sometimes.
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You couldn't be more utterly, categorically wrong, for all sorts of reasons. Chief of which is that I do not and have never had any intention of ever being a racist, which is a necessary prerequisite for supporting that lot.

You're right in that I'm not unhappy - really guv, I'm not. I have no reason to be, with Spurs or life more broadly. :p I'll only say that it was somehow a bit more fun for me when I was younger and believed that the sky was the limit - and I feel our prudish policies have sort of closed that off.

Maybe I'm wrong, and Levy will actually spend some money at some point in the future, and we can actually win trophies and titles. But I don't have many reasons to believe he will.

I apologize if I ever came across as too sharp - unless you started it, in which case, f*ck you too, buddy. ;)
 
DeanoAustin said:
Ah come on mate, I completely disagree with Dubai’s take on this but to say he’d be better off supporting Chelsea?!? fudging hell, I’m not sure there’s a lower place to go than supporting those clams.
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Thanks, mate. Disagreeing is fine - I disagree with loads of people, on loads of things. But I believe everyone here wants the best for the club - and occasionally, it really p*sses me off when people don't believe that about their fellow fans.
 
elltrev said:
I actually think you make a fair point about Levy / Lewis not investing any money of their own, given that they will make a good chunk of money when they sell the club (in addition to their salary over the years and/or existing wealth). But would they even be able to in this day and age, with FFP?

I also think you understate their ‘competence’ and ‘semi-effectiveness’, as if what they’ve achieved in growing our revenue and improving our league position is just a standard and straightforward thing. Since the explosion of money in the PL, no one else has come close to doing what we’ve done - closing and even passing the gap on the rich teams. What makes you say they’ve only been semi-effective, when no other club has come close to what we’ve done?
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Only that other clubs and chairmen have adopted the same sort of zero-input, zero-net spend model and won titles, too. Not in England, but in equally competitive leagues abroad. Dortmund, Atletico, Olympique Lyonnais, and so on. Now, I've argued with people over the competitiveness of those leagues relative to the PL - that's a whole separate discussion that we can get into, if you'd like. :p But I think there are parallels that can be drawn between them and us. However, they've achieved different results.

Glenda's Legs said:
Let's not forget that they have invested in the team in the last year and we did not lose any star players (apart from Dembele this month and that was not due to investment). New contracts meaning increased wages for Kane, Dele, Son, Lamela, Winks (Verts? not sure). We also offered Toby a significantly increased deal which by all accounts he had accepted before moving the goalposts. And of course Poch himself got an enhanced deal. With Eriksen, it's apparently not a money issue that's holding him back from a new contract, so we are willing to invest in him too.
It might not be the level of investment you are hoping to see, but - and apologies if this seems like nit-picking - it's wrong to say there has been no investment in the team in the last year.
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But that's the thing - every team gives increased contracts to their star men. Every team increases wages in line with the increasing value of the PL as a whole.

It's not nitpicky, but I'd suggest that what I meant by investing in the team is improving on it, not standing still. Going out and getting one of Poch's first choices, that sort of thing.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
@DubaiSpur I think you just have to admit, they've taken a long term view, implemented a long-term strategy, and by and large, it is paying off. This is what Poch is talking about. Once we're in the stadium, with a great squad, some of the best facilities in the world, and with a proper wage budget to attract players that want to win titles, then there are no excuses. Until we are there, we are on the journey. And we have decided to invest in long term things to help us sustain that level rather than plough the same money in to short term fixes.
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They have taken an extremely long-term view. As for it paying off, not in terms of trophies - not yet. But yes, in general terms, we have a big stadium and a shiny training ground. I recognize that. However, see below....

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@DubaiSpur
Yes, Chelsea won a load of trophies, but they were powered by oil money as you know. They've also had a few seasons in 10th, in 8th, in 6th, which if we had done would have set us back. But we're now pretty much were Arsenal are from a commercial revenue point of view. So the plan is working, it just depends on the view you take. Has it been a failure because we haven't won a trophy in the relatively short term period you want to judge it by? Yes, subjectively you could say that if that's what you were going for. But Levy is looking over a longer horizon. Are we almost there? Yes.
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Sure. However, the simple trade-off is that this longer horizon will bring us more trophies in the long-run than Chelsea's approach has brought them in the short run. Do you think that's likely?

In the next two decades, do you think we'll win 20+ trophies because of Levy's prudence and long-term view? Honest question, not going to dispute the response.

BrainOfLevy said:
@DubaiSpur
It is Levy's prerogative to invest his or Lewis' money in the club. You can or choose not to disagree with their decision not to plough their own money in to the club. But they're in the position to make these choices, and they took a long term view.
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Sure, but I never argued it isn't their prerogative. Again, they're not frauds - they legitimately own the club, and they can do what they like with it.

But we're also free to have differing opinions on the wisdom of their choices, surely. That's that's our prerogative, one of the few we have left as fans.

BrainOfLevy said:
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I would argue that any club without the infrastructure to maintain the long term investment that has tried to spend their way to getting to where we are, has failed. Everton didn't have any quick fix. Villa are gone. Sunderland are way gone. I would also say the whole 'spend quick' thing doesn't immediately work in terms of building a real time and building a culture. City needed a couple of goes to get it right. Chelsea needed a go with Ranieri before Mourinho came in. We tried it with the Bale money and it just didn't work, and we didn't have the bottomless pit of cash to just spend again. We needed to build. Our only chance of getting up was doing it in a long term, sustainable way.
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Right, but who's arguing that we *shouldn't* spend on infrastructure?

My frustration is not that they're spending on infrastructure. It's that they have no affinity for spending any of their own money, even when just a little of it relative to what the stadium and the training ground have cost *us* (not them, us, the club) would have helped us on the pitch. Much like Liverpool's owners are doing.

And given that reality, that they absolutely will not give a single sh*t about on-pitch results when compared to their ultra-long term plan, I'm just not at all certain that they will actually spend on the team when the money starts coming in. They might just pay down the debt, because that would be the long-term thing to do - surely you can see the logic in that? After all, it's the long-term view.
 
nayenezgani said:
Being singled out as a 'Spurs PR team member' for trying to keep things positive and spread common sense is okay though? It works both ways no?

The usual negative nancies were revelling in our cup disappointmens and whipping up the Levy and Poch out nonsense. They're absolutely gutted we beat Watford. Gutted. What do they moan about now?
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Mate,

As you know, I heartily disagree with Dubai on the views at hand, and have been trying to explain our policy/manager for a long time to various. But when we win we all win. And just for those moments alone, my feeling is to enjoy and move on (though I understand your frustration at the moaners out there for sure).


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Dubai...I can assure you 100% that the current transfer situation is of Poch’s inclinations. Tonight will have partly explained that. But it is a fact. We have some money but rather than spunk it on stop-gaps we want to make it count. Dig deep and trust Levy’s relationship with Poch; it has already given us a tangible future I never thought would be realized.


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