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Thats rubbish. He is a big and strong lad, fit, and able to compete in what is now a virtually a non contact sport.

His problem is lack of aggression, not lack of power.

BoL put it much better than I have, but I think a comparison should be made with Dembele, as they are the same style player. When Dembele was the same age and build as Onomah he was being used as a winger. Only when he got his strength later into his 20s did he become the CM beast he is now. You can't say Dembele uses no contact - it's just all upper body. That's exactly what Onomah does to his peers, but not yet to adults
 
That’s all fine, but we need a Dembele successor now - even if Onomah does develop into that player that’s a good few years away. We don’t have time to wait for him to develop (not suggesting that means selling him), but we need someone of real quality in the middle of the park now....
 
That's not really relevant. The bottom line is that he hasn't been given the chance to play his preferred CM position (the "why" could be a million different things) and until you see them both in that position you cannot draw a definitive conclusion.

Good new contract discussion, by the way. :p

The "why" is entirely the point, and thats why its relevant.

Two young players, playing in the same area of the field, one gets a chance there and the other doesnt.

Why?

What distinguishes one from the other?


There may be something to what GB is saying. If Winks is expected to give and go quickly, to release not long after he gets it most of the time, you can probably be comfortable that he can operate deeper and there is less risk in losing the ball. Of course Winks drives forward sometimes too, but there may be something in it. Onomah is less of a metronome and more someone that would hold on to the ball a little longer and commit players, and it may be until he has physically matured that he would be too easy a target for opposition managers to exploit. You get 2 or 3 players surrounding him when he’s in deep midfield and maybe he gets knocked around a bit and it’s too much of a risk for us to take until he fills out a little more.

BoL put it much better than I have, but I think a comparison should be made with Dembele, as they are the same style player. When Dembele was the same age and build as Onomah he was being used as a winger. Only when he got his strength later into his 20s did he become the CM beast he is now. You can't say Dembele uses no contact - it's just all upper body. That's exactly what Onomah does to his peers, but not yet to adults

This is the trouble you run into when you try and pigeon hole players into nice little boxes, or define them by other players.

Winks is smaller, yes. And Winks is more of a passer, yes. Winks also gets closed down constantly, has to shield the ball constantly, dibbles through/round players...

...Essentially, while it might not be his primary attribute, he still does a hell of a lot of what Onomah does. And he does it just fine. So this whole "Onomah needs to bulk up before he can play" thing simply doesnt wash for me.

He is already bigger and stronger than Winks, and we all know he has ability, its not a reason for him to not play.

I may be totally wrong and it may be that Josh just doesn’t have the mentality and he may have lost his chance, because it is curious that Winks was trusted deep quite quickly. But by the same token, in the first team where results are important they have tried to give Josh and many minutes as possible. I actually don’t think he does have an attitude problem at all, I think he is totally misjudged in that regard. From Poch’s very first season, he was the one getting time in the Europa and has always been around the team. I think Poch likes him, and if he didn’t get a good vibe from his attitude then he wouldn’t have been anywhere near the first team. He’s also quality in the way he thinks and plays the game to me, you can tell sometimes he is two steps ahead of his Villa team mates and it baffles me that their fans don’t like him. But again, he’s not getting chances deep midfield and I imagine a Bruce system works better with cloggers playing deep.

All of this doesn’t mean JO is gonna turn into a star for us, but I’ve got a suspicion he may make a late dash for the first team ala Mason. He is very talented and I think if he fills out physically then he’s got a big chance, as long as he wants it. If he doesn’t want it, he’ll be out because Poch won’t stand for it.

I dont think he has an attitude problem, lets be clear. I think its a mindset/mentality/belief thing.

I have no doubt he is enthusiastic as hell, a consumate professional, could be first on the training field/last off - all of that. I dont argue otherwise.

My belief, based on whenever Ive seen him play, is that he lacks that confidence, the aggression to assert himself. He is too passive, to nice, to gentle.

If he can "bulk up" mentally, I would have every confidence in him making a fair run at the team, as you say.
 
Well i guess we will see if he progresses here, from what i have seen in his games for us he does not look a stand out player. And despite what some say he has not been outstanding at Villa ( i may be wrong but i do not think he took part in the play off games so far), you would think IF he was doing that well he would have took part in those games.
 
Well i guess we will see if he progresses here, from what i have seen in his games for us he does not look a stand out player. And despite what some say he has not been outstanding at Villa ( i may be wrong but i do not think he took part in the play off games so far), you would think IF he was doing that well he would have took part in those games.

Not sure I’d agree about the Villa thing but certainly everything else you have said

Villa would rather play cloggers under Bruce in midfield and play Onomah as a winger ... poor loan all in all
 
Not sure I’d agree about the Villa thing but certainly everything else you have said

Villa would rather play cloggers under Bruce in midfield and play Onomah as a winger ... poor loan all in all

Fair points, i just think that over the seasons we as Spurs fans tend to overate some of our youngsters, i understand why we do that but as i have said before i have not seen Onomah produce any thing like we have seen from other youngsters over those years.

He could still g on and be a star for us but we have moved on as a team and i do not know if he will be given more chances to do so.

I do agree that the loan was a poor one and its not the first time we have done it. ( could never understand why we sent Pritchard to WBA as i thought that would never work out)
 
Fair points, i just think that over the seasons we as Spurs fans tend to overate some of our youngsters, i understand why we do that but as i have said before i have not seen Onomah produce any thing like we have seen from other youngsters over those years.

He could still g on and be a star for us but we have moved on as a team and i do not know if he will be given more chances to do so.

I do agree that the loan was a poor one and its not the first time we have done it. ( could never understand why we sent Pritchard to WBA as i thought that would never work out)

Onomah playing centre mid in his age group is amazing

Onomah playing wide attack vs men is awful

The games he has played better mid for Villa he has had good to great feedback form what I’ve read
 
Onomah playing centre mid in his age group is amazing

Onomah playing wide attack vs men is awful

The games he has played better mid for Villa he has had good to great feedback form what I’ve read

You are right about age groups but we both know its a big step up to the first team/ age difference. And i admit have not seen a lot of Villa so can not speak from watching him but again IF he was that good/important you would think he would be one of the first on the team sheet. I am not a fan of Bruce but he is not daft and if he had a special player available then you would use him as a focal point.

As i say he may go on and make a name for himself but i am not convinced he will do that here.
 
You are right about age groups but we both know its a big step up to the first team/ age difference. And i admit have not seen a lot of Villa so can not speak from watching him but again IF he was that good/important you would think he would be one of the first on the team sheet. I am not a fan of Bruce but he is not daft and if he had a special player available then you would use him as a focal point.

As i say he may go on and make a name for himself but i am not convinced he will do that here.

I think he is a couple of years away form making it big could easily fall behind by that point

Their are young lads like Skipp coming through who have the hunger and desire I’ve not seen from Onomah
 
Are we allowed socalled "ITK" in this thread?

Eriksen, Dele and Kane have all signed new contracts according to the "In-The-Know" guys over at Spurs Community.
 
Eriksen’s Agents comments make me think different.
“The only thing I can say is that concerning the interest of several clubs in Christian is that we prefer not to comment.”

Hope it’s just Agent waffle. But looks like he’s looking to engineer more money or a move who knows.

Eriksen is to important to our side to sell
 
Are we allowed socalled "ITK" in this thread?

Eriksen, Dele and Kane have all signed new contracts according to the "In-The-Know" guys over at Spurs Community.

What would be the point of not announcing them? New signings asking for higher wages if they know that these guys have signed new deals? Not sure what else I can think of...announcing them would help kill the speculation around Eriksen leaving
 
What would be the point of not announcing them? New signings asking for higher wages if they know that these guys have signed new deals? Not sure what else I can think of...announcing them would help kill the speculation around Eriksen leaving

It would probably just be down to timing the press conference and maybe availability of Poch etc.
 
Eriksen, Alli and Kane will all sign new contracts and Toby’s new contract will be announced inbetween them.

Also Danny Rose will sign a new contract aswell.
 
We don't do press conferences for new contracts. ......not even for new signings

We don't even do pictures with Poch any more. It's just a twitter post now.

All our players are in the custody of their national sides now too, so wouldn't be doing club commitments
 
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