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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

billyiddo said:
What proven quality is available for the price we paid for those two? 10-15m won't get you that
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Then maybe we need to spend more, or not, but then we need to stop whinging and bitching anytime we fall short as we did yesterday.

Sure, people will say but Leicester won the league, well that was a one off and that will not happen again anytime soon.
 
My concern is how many of our key players are going to hang around in this 'evolution' period.

Players ultimately want two things.
  • To win trophies
  • To earn lots of money
We have several players who are fully aware that they can go to clubs where they are guaranteed these things. So the question is, how long are those players going to give this evolutionary stage?

Eriksen is 26, Harry will be 25 this year and while that is comparatively young I honestly can't see them hanging around for another 2 or 3 years waiting for us to win things.

We are obviously miles ahead of where we were several years ago, but we really do need to be taking that next step sooner rather than later.
 
billyiddo said:
It's a pointless question mate - we don't work with these constraints for a laugh, it's what the situation is and we're trying (and succeeding imo) to make the best of it. We're not sitting on a pile of money choosing not to spend it.

I think while these constraints are in place the long term strategy cannot be compromised for short term gain, when more money comes in to the club that should and will change somewhat
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Agreed, although I do still feel that Levy does need to move his wage structure up a tad in line with inflation. Some of the players are on the same amount of money that we would have paid them this time ten years ago (e.g. Alli on 60k I believe? David Bentley was on about that) and we're quite lucky that more of them don't make more of a fuss. Footballs been ridiculous for cash for years but now we're in the age where every club has cash to splash, an 18 year old kid can get snapped up for £200m and clubs in China can offer you 800k+ a week even if you're nowhere near world class.
 
Mulletperm said:
My concern is how many of our key players are going to hang around in this 'evolution' period.

Players ultimately want two things.
  • To win trophies
  • To earn lots of money
We have several players who are fully aware that they can go to clubs where they are guaranteed these things. So the question is, how long are those players going to give this evolutionary stage?

Eriksen is 26, Harry will be 25 this year and while that is comparatively young I honestly can't see them hanging around for another 2 or 3 years waiting for us to win things.

We are obviously miles ahead of where we were several years ago, but we really do need to be taking that next step sooner rather than later.
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Well that's fine but they are as responsible for not winning these games as the club is. Three times in the cup competitions this season we have the better team, in the lead and chucked it away. That's not the clubs fault, that's theirs.
So if they want to go somewhere else to win to win things fine, but to me they are saying that they need to a better team to cover their deficiency, not anybody else's.
 
glasgowspur said:
Well that's fine but they are as responsible for not winning these games as the club is. Three times in the cup competitions this season we have the better team, in the lead and chucked it away. That's not the clubs fault, that's theirs.
So if they want to go somewhere else to win to win things fine, but to me they are saying that they need to a better team to cover their deficiency, not anybody else's.
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My thoughts exactly

The players are good enough but its then who let themselves down
 
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/22/mauricio-pochettino-spurs-fa-cup-play-with-kids
Pochettino had called for perspective in the face of perceived impatience and perhaps also explains his answer when it was put to him that in regards to the FA Cup specifically, it may be better for all associated with the club if next season he did not take the competition too seriously. Play the kids. Take a third-round exit on the chin. Keep expectations to a minimum.

“Yes, I am thinking with Tottenham to play with kids the next time. I agree with you,” he said. “It is my job to be criticised when we don’t win. The problem is the perception sometimes is not realistic. But maybe next we will provide the possibility to play with kids and I’m sure it will be fantastic for experience and everything. Then we stop to arrive in this situation.”
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Well at least some of them have the medals to prove that they have a winning mentality...

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Bedfordspurs said:
My thoughts exactly

The players are good enough but its then who let themselves down
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Does this not come from the managers attitude towards the game and the domestic trophies? I hate to say it but the Man U players know how much Mourinho wanted to win and it showed.

Shearer has it spot on for me (I’m not a Sun reader but caught his article on Twitter).

How can you expect to win things when u don’t have a winning mentality or habit, we should be taking every opportunity to gain silverware. Players enjoy these moments together and call upon them when bigger opportunities arise. This should all be coming from Poch.

It’s a terrible trait to not take any games 100% seriously imo.
 
Benny_Lad said:
Does this not come from the managers attitude towards the game and the domestic trophies? I hate to say it but the Man U players know how much Mourinho wanted to win and it showed.

Shearer has it spot on for me (I’m not a Sun reader but caught his article on Twitter).

How can you expect to win things when u don’t have a winning mentality or habit, we should be taking every opportunity to gain silverware. Players enjoy these moments together and call upon them when bigger opportunities arise. This should all be coming from Poch.

It’s a terrible trait to not take any games 400% seriously imo.
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Not that I expect you to read through all the previous posts but I agree

It’s two fold

The manager has to stop belittling trophies until he actually wins some

And the players have to take accountability for their failings too... not by jumping ship as their as guilty as anyone of failing

I know players don’t see it that way
 
billyiddo said:
Probably sick and tired of the media purposely misconstruing what he says regarding the cup and using it to form a narrative which our more easily led supporters are happy to hold against him
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Are you referring to that article in The Guardian? If so how has what he said been twisted?
 
SteveAWOL said:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/22/mauricio-pochettino-spurs-fa-cup-play-with-kids

“Yes, I am thinking with Tottenham to play with kids the next time. I agree with you,” he said. “It is my job to be criticised when we don’t win. The problem is the perception sometimes is not realistic. But maybe next we will provide the possibility to play with kids and I’m sure it will be fantastic for experience and everything. Then we stop to arrive in this situation.”
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Strange article. The next paragraph is telling.
Not surprisingly, Pochettino’s remarks drew startled glances from those listening and while it is possible the Argentinian had not understood the question properly, he said what he said, and what he said gave the stark impression that this most considered of men has reached a level of frustration in regards to how Tottenham’s progress under his charge is being perceived.
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The journalist condescendingly suggests Poch didn't understand the question, when it is comprehension that is lacking. Poch clearly understood the question and replied in a sarcastic manner. His frustration, at least there, was with the line of questioning.
 
Has poch ever said he didn't want to to win cups. What he is saying is that unlike most clubs we will not be satisfied with the odd cup win here and there.
He understands that until we win a league or CL any achievement will be taken in isolation and belittled.
The opportunity is there for the players to perform and and win these games, for whatever reason they can't take those opportunities.
If after being ahead and the better team in 3 Cup ties they then lose those games that's down to the players, not the manager.
 
billyiddo said:
Im talking about the whole Poch doesn't care about the cups narrative
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Oh I see. Well to be fair he doesnt help himself in that respect if he does care about them by what he says. With his consistent comments regarding the cups he gives the players an excuse not to care or have the same intensity like they do in the league. The fact we have never lost when in the lead in a league game this season, yet have lost in all cup competitions when leading is pretty damning evidence something is wrong with our players in these games...
 
billyiddo said:
Probably sick and tired of the media purposely misconstruing what he says regarding the cup and using it to form a narrative which our more easily led supporters are happy to hold against him
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I don’t think that’s fair. He’s said that winning the FA Cup wouldn’t change anyone’s life and it’s the League and CL that are the true barometers of success and progress. He’s repeated that line several times.

The media haven’t misconstrued what he said at all.
 
harr1984 said:
Oh I see. Well to be fair he doesnt help himself in that respect if he does care about them by what he says. With his consistent comments regarding the cups he gives the players an excuse not to care or have the same intensity like they do in the league. The fact we have never lost when in the lead in a league game this season, yet have lost in all cup competitions when leading is pretty damning evidence something is wrong with our players in these games...
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Nah i disagree - what he says about the cups is correct and is nothing more than placing them behind the CL and the League in order of priority - what we see with our own eyes should tell us enough, we treat the cups exactly the same as every other top 6 side, rotate against weaker opposition and take them seriously with the first team in the latter stages - we rotated for the semi at the expense of a league match and you can see in the post match interviews both the players and the manager were upset with the defeat and at missing the chance to win the trophy.
 
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DeanoAustin said:
I don’t think that’s fair. He’s said that winning the FA Cup wouldn’t change anyone’s life and it’s the League and CL that are the true barometers of success and progress. He’s repeated that line several times.

The media haven’t misconstrued what he said at all.
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That's entirely correct and is neither belittling of the competition or a sign he doesnt care about it either, just placing it in in the realistic order of importance. No one would put the cup ahead of league or CL glory, cups dont keep managers in their jobs if they underperform in the other two (LVG) and they don't keep players at clubs that aren't doing well in the league or CL either.

It's such a transparent agenda from the media to repeatedly ask the same leading questions each cup game im genuinely surprised to see people lap it up still
 
billyiddo said:
That's entirely correct and is neither belittling of the competition or a sign he doesnt care about it either, just placing it in in the realistic order of importance. No one would put the cup ahead of league or CL glory, cups dont keep managers in their jobs if they underperform in the other two (LVG) and they don't keep players at clubs that aren't doing well in the league or CL either.

It's such a transparent agenda from the media to repeatedly ask the same leading questions each cup game im genuinely surprised to see people lap it up still
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I fully agree with Pochs thoughts on the overall effect a league cup or fa Cup win would have on the club in the long run BUT he should have just kept his thoughts to himself as he does 99% of the time.

Straight bat and middle of the road mantra reply to all questions. Give them nothing.
 
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