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Toxicity

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by nayenezgani, 8 Oct 2019.

  1. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Christian Ziege

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    Oooh, look how powerful i am. So strong i can "sew seeds of angst, division and agitation".

    I guess anyone who has ever said anything negative but posts every 30 mins or so is also doing the same thing? You seem to lambast anyone who doesn't say at every moment that everything is awesome. Seems that to you unless a poster says "Everything is awesome" in every post, they are sowing seeds of angst and agitators trying to cause a 'revolution'.

    Hilarious. As i say. Grow a pair and stop acting like FORUM POLICE
     
  2. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Paul Stalteri

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    I don't think there's any toxicity, there is a healthy debate that due to a lack of certainty over what is happening and why is boiling over into frustration.
     
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  3. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Christian Ziege

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    Shh, you're sowing seeds of angst, division and agitation!
     
  4. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Justin Edinburgh

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    Re-read what I say, you are wrong. All I've ever hoped for is balance, consistency and rationality. Do you know what those words mean?

    You immediately post with such vigour and venom. Protesting because you know that what I identify you as is totally accurate, it's also symptomatic of what's going on amongst our fan base at the moment.

    Look over what you're posting right now and tell me the words you would use to describe the general tone?
     
  5. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Chris Jones

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    Possibly...
    I don’t think anyone is genuinely trying to drag things down
    The issues people have are actually consistent but people articulate these things in different ways

    I’ve been at WHL and heard fans blame players who weren’t playing .... David Bentley was a classic and Winks currently
    I’ve been at WHL and heard fans singing the name of ex players/injured players/retired players.

    We have fans who actually possibly care too much which may be why
     
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  6. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Christian Ziege

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    I think it's YOU that needs to read the posts in general here, not just mine. Almost all posts are balanced and have rationality and consistency. There is NO toxicity on the board, only in your head.

    Your post encourages such vigour and venom because of the baseless accusations, which go back months in fact over a year whenever anyone wants to debate issues with the club. You simply can't handle anybody posting something that might suggest all isn't well or some things might not be quite going according to plan, hence you accuse moderate posters who try to debate as "spreading angst". And you wonder why i call you FORUM POLICE?

    Look at my posts in the MoPo thread. I have worries on our situation (who doesn't?) but you'll see a lot of balance and back-and-forth debate. Of course to you that is "spreading angst". So i just end up laughing at how you have then created this thread.

    As i said, Grow. A . Pair
     
  7. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Teemu Tainio

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    Yeah I don't really see any toxicity around Poch on here. There's a debate to be had and I can't think of any posts I've seen that haven't had that debate respectfully. If that debate isn't had on here, the site becomes an echo chamber/cheerleader site.

    Personally, I'm in the "Poch Out" camp with some caveats but there is definitely an argument for him staying.
     
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  8. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Michael Carrick

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    Done wonders for the Sissoko thread......Well and truly usurped that tittle tattle.
     
  9. Raziel

    Raziel Nick Barmby

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    Mate, football is most (mine at least) people's passion, their release, their safe place to be tribal, their place to focus on something that isn't the misery of the world in general.

    In that model, fair, balanced and rational doesn't really fit .. hence why most of us actually think the conversations have been mostly polite debate ..
     
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  10. parklane1

    parklane1 Barry Daines

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    I am not sure about the use of the word Toxic but i understand where you are coming from. What gets me is that most fans here and other places have said that over the last few years with Poch we have overachieved ( up against the likes of the money doped clubs etc) and i can agree with them on that, however at the first sign of us slipping back a bit start talking about changing managers ( he has taken us as far as he can, lost he plot, not up to it etc,etc).

    That is what i struggle with on one hand we have overachieved on the other hand the manager has lost the plot. Who said ( some)football fans are not fickle.
     
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  11. Yermiyahu

    Yermiyahu Sebastien Bassong

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    I've just avoided commenting by and large. I share everyone's disappointment and yet after 47 years of following the Spurs I can't help feeling like we have been here before. Personally I would like to see Poch given the season and see where it takes us, although he does look exhausted to me and even somewhat depressed. Let's hope that we can get back to winning ways very soon.
     
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    wiziwig Pascal Chimbonda

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  13. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Barry Daines Staff Member

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    I think the gist of this thread is to express disappointment that there are so many questioning the manager.

    I understand that point and tend to agree he deserves out loyalty.

    I personally think the discussions have overall been respectful, maybe a little heated at times, but nothing like the Redknapp/AVB days.

    We did some pruning back then, and I think overall it has remained free of that level of BS.

    I do think it is incumbent on everyone to reign themselves in. I count myself. Sometimes I go off on one, but always try to circle back, take some responsibility and apologise for any ill-will caused or perceived. I also hope that when I have failed, and been called out on it, I have been quick to hold my hand up when necessary. If not, always LMK.

    We all want the same thing at the end of the day, which is to enjoy Tottenham Hotspur and win.
     
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  14. MKSpur

    MKSpur Young-Pyo Lee

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    I thought this thread was a rebrand for Emirates Marketing Project
     
  15. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Chris Jones

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    Keep Poch
    Or
    Keep the players

    I know what I would do
     
  16. Legohamster

    Legohamster Terry Venables

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    Can’t it be both?

    Whilst he has done well with the budget he has been given, he didn’t inherit a terrible sqaud (the core of players was already at the club) - which he added to and motivated beyond belief.

    We are now in a league where Chelsea/Arsenal/United are nowhere near as good as they have been and we have a squad that really shouldn’t struggle to get into the top 4 - miles of a title challenge.

    The squad we now have is a top 4 squad and not to get CL football would be an underachievement.

    Is it all the managers fault? No

    Has he got to take some of the blame? Yes.

    I’ve said before - the Mopo from 3/4 years ago shouldn’t be replaced at any cost, this isn’t that manager - maybe he’s just shattered?
     
  17. spurspinter1

    spurspinter1 Ruel Fox

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    Came in here hoping to find some System of a Down nostalgia, left knowing that Naynezgani and Glorygeeze maybe aren't the best of friends...
     
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  18. Seedy Ron

    Seedy Ron Vedran Corluka

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    They're overcompensating.
     
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  19. parklane1

    parklane1 Barry Daines

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    You make some good points, but we are 8 games into the season ( 3, yes 3 points off the top four) and yet i see/hear some fans chomping at the bit to replace him. Far too early ( imo) and some fans need to get a grip if that is what they think should happen.
     
  20. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Steffen Iversen

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    Me too, but that never happens as the players are worth more.
    Word from the training ground is Kane is causing problems. So who do you back?
     

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