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Tony Pulis 24 years of killing football

Daisuk said:
Everyone can't play tiki taka. You play to your players strengths. I laughed at Ronaldo when he criticized Iceland for being too defensive against Portugal in the Euros - what the hell did he expect? Parking the bass and kicking it long with a bunch of strong bully type of players is a totally legitimate strategy. It's a challenge. It's down to the "fancy" teams (us included) to figure out how to break them down.

As much as I hate Shawcross and his kin, Pulis has got my respect. Does a solid job.
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I should have read your comments first, would have saved me time.
 
Mr_B said:
ridiculous thread, if wba played gung-ho and 3 upfront, they would be relegated, he sets his team out to get a result, entertainment is secondary, I admire Pulis for the jobs he's done with the lesser lights of this league, good man, better coach.
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I beg to differ, they actually have players that can play. It's a choice on his part to play as they do and in seasons past we have seen teams of his, once past the 40 point mark unable to to play a more expansive game . The reason is not his players, but him , he just doesn't know how to set his teams up to string more than half a dozen passes together on a regular basis. I'd say Alan Pardew also struggles with a possession game, although this season, with it being early doors, Palace thus far are not resorting to hoofing so much. Eddie Howe knows how and insists his teams play a passing game and no one can tell me the calibre of player he has to choose from is that much better at Bournemouth than at either WBA or Palace .
 
Time wasting , making the game smaller in minutes , there is none better than a Pullis team.

We had the ridiculous situation on Saturday, where they had a corner and the ball is motionless on the edge of our penalty box and their players are walking and turning their backs on it, rather than pick it up and throwing it to their corner kick taker. Eventually Dembele was the ball boy!

As for the six yard goal kicks by Foster , they always had to be on the opposite side of his six yard box from where he eventually retrieved the ball. One goal-kick I timed at 45 seconds . How he wasn't even warned by the referee never mind yellow carded, I will never know.

As severe a critics of his style of play , he'd be my choice to be the England manager.
 
parklane1 said:
Yep, i know from experience that one of the hardest things to coach a team in is to be as defensive minded has his teams always are. People may think its easy to do but it takes many hours to get everyone on the same wave length and for it to work as well as it does for WBA and before that Stoke.
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I disagree - Defensive football and at times, all out parking the bus, with gamesmanship thrown in , is not one the hardest parts of the game.

Being a good defensive team, whilst also showing good attacking prowess ,and good passing abilities, that's much harder.
 
wiziwig said:
Time wasting , making the game smaller in minutes , there is none better than a Pullis team.

We had the ridiculous situation on Saturday, where they had a corner and the ball is motionless on the edge of our penalty box and their players are walking and turning their backs on it, rather than pick it up and throwing it to their corner kick taker. Eventually Dembele was the ball boy!

As for the six yard goal kicks by Foster , they always had to be on the opposite side of his six yard box from where he eventually retrieved the ball. One goal-kick I timed at 45 seconds . How he wasn't even warned by the referee never mind yellow carded, I will never know.

As severe a critics of his style of play , he'd be my choice to be the England manager.
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There were some classics dirty tricks in the 80s/90s:

John Beck always got the groundsman to grow the grass extra long in the corners, so long balls would stick

Dave Bassett got the away dressing room fitted with a slippery flooring and put on a separate heating system so it could be made particularly uncomfortable
 
Gutter Boy said:
There were some classics dirty tricks in the 80s/90s:

John Beck always got the groundsman to grow the grass extra long in the corners, so long balls would stick

Dave Bassett got the away dressing room fitted with a slippery flooring and put on a separate heating system so it could be made particularly uncomfortable
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Yes I remember that Cambridge team and Dion Dublin was it ?

BF Sam also did it. Knowing the visiting team had two speedy wingers, he'd get his groundsmen to let the grass grow and heavily water the pitch out on the wings .
 
wiziwig said:
I disagree - Defensive football and at times, all out parking the bus, with gamesmanship thrown in , is not one the hardest parts of the game.

Being a good defensive team, whilst also showing good attacking prowess ,and good passing abilities, that's much harder.
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Getting 11 players some who are forward players to have a defensive mind set is one of the hardest things to obtain, buts Stop! Hammer time so we will have to agree to disagree.
 
Apart from the fact that i believe he suffers from the "two right backs in one transfer window" syndrome, i think Pulis is great!
Not his style of footy per se but he has a very valid place in football; keeps the elite and the likes of us (who aspire to be successful playing attractive/attacking football) honest.

It's managers like Jose (and George Graham before) who have access to untold riches but play Pulis-ball (often mpre than Pulis) that i have a problem with
 
wiziwig said:
Time wasting , making the game smaller in minutes , there is none better than a Pullis team.

We had the ridiculous situation on Saturday, where they had a corner and the ball is motionless on the edge of our penalty box and their players are walking and turning their backs on it, rather than pick it up and throwing it to their corner kick taker. Eventually Dembele was the ball boy!

As for the six yard goal kicks by Foster , they always had to be on the opposite side of his six yard box from where he eventually retrieved the ball. One goal-kick I timed at 45 seconds . How he wasn't even warned by the referee never mind yellow carded, I will never know.

As severe a critics of his style of play , he'd be my choice to be the England manager.
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Agreed about the time wasting - it was ridiculous at times on Saturday. Can't believe why they scrapped the six second rule.

That said, I don't primarily blame players for trying to waste time - just like that intentional hand ball or professional foul to stop a counter attack, it's in a sense "ok" to do it - I blame referees for not punishing those who try to bend or break the rules. I don't condone such behaviour, but it will always be a part of the game, and that's why it's so important for refs to stop it.

Inept refereeing and lack of a clear stance against things like time wasting/cheating/diving from FA, are the biggest problems imo.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Pulis, Dave Bassett, John Beck, Allardyce, Redknapp, Warnock. On the pitch they can be effective, and fair play to them.

Its why Poch, and AVB too actually, has brought in more big physical players who are skilful too, rather than persist with typical flimsy Spurs players - so we can compete in those sort of games.

It's their off pitch behaviour that I more have problems with. I don't know if it’s a coincidence or whether coaching negatively and a lack of personal integrity are correlated.
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Isn't personal integrity in most professional "sports" incompatible with the culture?
 
Gutter Boy said:
Pulis, Dave Bassett, John Beck, Allardyce, Redknapp, Warnock. On the pitch they can be effective, and fair play to them.

Its why Poch, and AVB too actually, has brought in more big physical players who are skilful too, rather than persist with typical flimsy Spurs players - so we can compete in those sort of games.

It's their off pitch behaviour that I more have problems with. I don't know if it’s a coincidence or whether coaching negatively and a lack of personal integrity are correlated.
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Actually, AVB brought in big physical players who aren't very skillful at all, see Paulinho, Capoue.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Apart from the fact that i believe he suffers from the "two right backs in one transfer window" syndrome, i think Pulis is great!
Not his style of footy per se but he has a very valid place in football; keeps the elite and the likes of us (who aspire to be successful playing attractive/attacking football) honest.

It's managers like Jose (and George Graham before) who have access to untold riches but play Pulis-ball (often mpre than Pulis) that i have a problem with
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A good example of this was at Anfield tonight. Well done on taking a great point Jose.
 
Pulis does what he does and to some extent I can respect that. Good manager for a club looking to stay clear of or avoid the drop.

His style of football... Wouldn't want it anywhere near Tottenham and I suppose it's up to the fans of whatever team he's managing to decide if they can live with it. I get the appeal for a smaller team to "take on the big boys" with hard work and physicality.

One issue I think is often overlooked when people are having a go at him is player development. Playing under Pulis is a very specialist kind of position that doesn't generalize well to other teams or an international arena. He seems rather poor at developing young players and even developing established players into slightly better players is something he seems to struggle with. It's all about the next corner or the next ball to be hoofed up field.

Stoke barely developed a single young player after years under Pulis and they had to change most of the team to go from Pulis to decent football. Pulis does get success by most objective short term standards, but I think long term for a club and football other models of success (like seen at Swansea and Southampton) are much better.
 
He was very complimentary about us in his post match interview. I like him and tbh if we had been more clinical in both recent games we would have won. Not sure I agree with "he has got our number." They are not beating us or outplaying regularly like say Pool were. His team's are big units who are very well organized defensively. It is up to us to be more clinical. Beating a Pulis team will be a good yardstick of our progress. Oh and we won't be the only top team to struggle to win there this season.
 
He's over rated , has praise heaped on him for producing teams that destroy and bludgeon their way to mid table safety.

If he's so good at what he does, then why has he never produced anything like the Leicester City team that won the PL last season?
 
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