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Time to outlaw the tactical foul?

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Spur of the moment, 18 Aug 2019.

  1. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Paul Stalteri

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    Surely it's time for the games' lawmakers to come up with a more effective way to address the issue of tactical fouling?

    For the defending side, conceding an early free kick somewhere in the vicinity of the halfway line has always been the go-to way of nullifying a counter-attack when all else fails. Defenders will routinely pull the attacker to the ground before he can get away and have the chance to score.

    As we know the resulting free kick from this type of tactical foul then allows the defending team to get all eleven players behind the ball, thus considerably reducing their chances of conceding.

    And whilst the offender may indeed be penalised by a yellow, his manager knows that a second booking would equal a red card. So it's likely that managers are coaching their players to spread the dirty work around the team, with players being tasked to take turns in nobbling opponents when the need arises.

    Each player is allowed to accumulate several bookings per half-season before it results in a ban, so sharing the bookings around is the obvious way to go.

    All teams do it of course but it nowadays it seems much more prevalent amongst the elite teams, if only because they are the ones that regularly dominate possession and spend more of the game camped in the opponents half.

    In fact it's hard to escape the conclusion that clubs such as Barca, RM, City and United are steadily and cynically pushing this particular ruse to the limit. The suspicion is that these clubs in particular specifically coach their players to exploit this glaring weakness in the rules on a more systematic basis because they are usually the ones that have the most to lose by not doing so.

    They dominate possession so much they are at proportionately greater risk from the counter attack. Dropping points for these clubs may be much more costly than for say for a mid-table side because the top prizes are so much more critical to them. Teams near the bottom spend too much time desperately defending to indulge this type of tactical fouling.

    An additional benefit to elite clubs is that by adopting these tactics on a routine basis they are also able to commit more of their players forward. They know that when the chips are down they can cheerfully take the hit of a free kick in a relatively safe area of the pitch.

    As a result they appear to be ever more adept at illegally preventing opponents from getting anywhere near their goal. Thus it is that the existing punishment for a tactical foul routinely benefits the offending side rather than the victim.

    Now it's tempting to suggest that a straight red might be all that's needed to put a stop to it once and for all, but how likely is it that refs will apply such a draconian sanction to what frequently appears to be relatively innocuous foul?

    As @Raziel points out above, a lot of the time they are already allowing them to get away with it scot free anyway.

    So the chances are that refs would end up resorting to such a radical solution in only the most extreme cases, where for example the tactical foul also involves serious foul play. Referees will naturally want to ensure that the game remains as competitive and entertaining as possible. Therefore their no 1 priority will continue to be to try and keep all 22 players on the pitch.

    An alternative if equally drastic solution might be to punish all cynical and/or tactical fouls by awarding a penalty to the attacking REGARDLESS of where the offence takes place on the pitch.

    Realistically though such a drastic remedy is just never going to happen.

    All of which leaves us once again back where we started.

    Unless someone has another more pragmatic solution?
     
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  2. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Johnny Morrison

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    Even if it is a booking most players are happy to take them. Teams like City with Silva and Mahrez coming on as subs would be happy to take a suspension down the line.

    I'd sin bin players for 10 minutes for it.
     
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  3. mudshark

    mudshark Jermaine Jenas

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    Plus a maximum of 2 different players on yellow cards and/or sin-binned. Any more and you start losing subs.
     
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  4. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    It's not such a bad thing if you view defending as an art as well as attacking
     
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  5. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Non league are trailing sin bins this season by the way. They are highly effective in the ones I've played in where they've been used - generally turning the game entirely/resulting in at least one goal during the 6 minutes
     
  6. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Jack Jull

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    The amount of yellow cards you can get in the PL before you get a 1 match ban is ridiculous. In other leagues, you get a 1 match ban after 5 yellows, and then again after 3. That would help somewhat I think.
     
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  7. galeforce

    galeforce Teddy Sheringham

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    I’d like to see every non accidental foul punished with a yellow card (at least) irrespective of where it is on the pitch or the time of the game.

    But my bigger frustration, with the laws as they are, is that we are crap at it.
     
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  8. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Whatever happens, the same thing needs to be applied to diving (redefined as "going over with more exaggeration than the contact exacts")
     
  9. Daisuk

    Daisuk Steffen Iversen

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    Tactical fouls are fudging annoying. Red card offense, just fudge off.
     
  10. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    It becomes completely a non-contact sport if you do that.

    You'd also end the concept of high lines - so basically the game would return to about the year 1990, with everyone defending catenaccio
     
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  11. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Dean Richards

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    If my memory serves me well, we seemed to be quite good at it earlier in the Poch era.
     
  12. wiziwig

    wiziwig Pascal Chimbonda

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    I'm sure most do but, we're talking about illegitimate defending. Although it could be argued that teams who cleverly spread out their foul play and bookings during a game and, during the season itself, are doing nothing wrong and are just pushing to the limits the rules set by the rule makers at the FA and PL.

    I'd like to see a change in the booking count match ban rule such as, Kandi has suggested in his above post #6... I'd probably go even further than the match ban after 5 games and bring it down to a game ban every 3 bookings picked up...
     
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    galeforce Teddy Sheringham

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    True, maybe it’s a tactical decision to not do it, if so, I think that’s weird.
     
  14. galeforce

    galeforce Teddy Sheringham

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    Not sure that’s necessarily a bad thing.

    I don’t agree, you can still use a high line if you have faith in your players ability to steal the ball regularly.
     
  15. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Paul Stalteri

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    Very frustrating and peps teams are masters of it.
    The spreading of fouls is now become a joke, it is now time to make the captain responsible for the behaviour of the team.
    A warning, a booking and then a red card to the perpetrators and the captain for diving, tactical fouls, persistent fouling of one opposition player, abuse of officials and time wasting.
    This would solve it within a month.
     
  16. elyid

    elyid Niko Kranjcar

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    Interesting idea, but it's part of the game imo and should be kept as it is.

    I wouldn't mind suspensions after fewer yellow cards though - that would prob help reduce injuries too.
     
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    elyid Niko Kranjcar

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    To my untrained eye we seem to do it more in the opposition half, but avoid fouling once the ball is 10 yards or so in our own half.
     
  18. galeforce

    galeforce Teddy Sheringham

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    That’s logical
     
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    elyid Niko Kranjcar

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    It was my theory for why we only had 4 fouls on Saturday. We didn't get into their half often enough!
     
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  20. metalgear

    metalgear Paul Robinson

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    same rules apply to both sides so it's fair game.
    we just need to make more out of the situation, and not be too naieve

    Sent from my SM-T835 using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
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