And in that discussion people bashed the trust saying they are a waste of time so that was debated as well. My point was that they do a good job on some things and aren't as ego driven as some would make out. They could be a lot better being representative of the whole fan base but that needs more people involved to achieve. It will never happen if people sit on the sideline and dig them out for being totally worthless which isn't the case. As a fanbase we have no other way of holding the board to account and getting rid of them might appease certain people but in the long run the club would be even more likely to just do whatever it feels
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Tottenham Hotspur Karen Club....what do they do?
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And in that discussion people bashed the trust saying they are a waste of time so that was debated as well. My point was that they do a good job on some things and aren't as ego driven as some would make out. They could be a lot better being representative of the whole fan base but that needs more people involved to achieve. It will never happen if people sit on the sideline and dig them out for being totally worthless which isn't the case. As a fanbase we have no other way of holding the board to account and getting rid of them might appease certain people but in the long run the club would be even more likely to just do whatever it feels
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Not going to get into the name calling but are you suggesting that WHEN you go to the matches that there are a lot of fans who actually belong to the trust? i did ask the question in several places about how many members they actually had and was told 10,000 but not all of them are fee paying.
IF that number IS correct then it tends to show that they only speak for a very SMALL minority of fans, i wonder why that is?
Totally disagree. I think plenty on here can't partake in any reasonable debate on anything the board and owners do. I think for many they are happy to just be where we are and whatever happens, happens. Questioning or wanting a bit more ambition is seen as being unreasonable for the most part on here. People still spun the transfer window as some sort of victory and that it was perfectly understandable to sign no one or that we really were unable to sign even one player that we wanted. its an either or with most I'm afraid. If you wanted money spent, that equals wanting Emirates Marketing Project like expenditure regardless of the fact that the levels between spending nothing and Emirates Marketing Project level spending is as vast as could be. Apparently, they shouldn't be criticised for the transfer window and if that's your view then that is fine, validate it and move on. Its not for people to then start questioning how much someone supports the club because they happen to disagree with the owner/board direction on certain issues. To say that doesn't happen on here, on social media etc would be a complete lie.
When I go to matches, ie 90% of the time, I don't ask people if they are members of the trust. I don't care if people are or not. My opinion on them is that it isn't just black and white to say they are a waste of time. They give help to individuals who have difficulties with the club on a range of issues and are there to assist you if you require it. I have no idea why you think that is a bad thing but it would appear its personal. I haven't made any reference at all to member levels vs size of fanbase at all, I would have absolutely no idea how many people are trust members in reality and I don't care either. As I said, the fact that they exist is a good thing and I don't see any real reason why anyone unless employed by the club would think that their existence, overall, isn't a good thing too.
10,000 is a small number fan base wise and I couldn't tell you why most people aren't members? I would suggest the most likely reason is they just can't be bothered rather than being specifically anti trust.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
IF there were a lot of fans who are unhappy with the way the club is run ( which you seem to suggest) then would it not make sense for those to become members? I think the real reason is that the vast majority of fans see them for what they are ie guys who think they are important and want to have folks think they have something important to say. ( o and i forgot to add, they like the sound of their own voices).
Can you find for me the passage where I suggest or state that lots of fans (unquantifiable) are unhappy with the way that the club is run? Not everyone who likes the sound of their own voice would be a member of the trust either would they?
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
We are going round in circles; If you really think that they are good for the fans and club then you should join them, they need as much help as they can get seeing as most seem to think they are wanabees.
Its not going round in circles to ask you to qualify and prove your statement, which you can't. And again you prove the point, I think they do some good work equals in your mind that I should join them because I must really like all that they do. Its either or, never anything in between. Explains a lot tbh
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
O boy, do you not have homework to do.
Currently doing an essay on whether mandatory euthanasia should be adopted for jaded whelks. I'll send it to you in Geneva laddy
I've yet to see a single person make that point on this forum.
What I have seen, and the opinion I subscribe to, is that the club is a privately owned entity and what those owners do with their own property is none of our fudging business. We can choose to spend our money or not. anything past that an we'll get a a condescending pat on the head like the Trust does, whilst the owners continue to do whatever they want.
The Trust has achieved two things since it came into being;
1) Wasting the time of otherwise busy executives at the club, who have to pretend to listen to the Trust before patting them on the head and ignoring them
2) Making themselves feel important
So 1) is actively harmful to the club, and 2) only goes to reinforce the endless repetition of 1). Hopefully we, as fans, can diminish 2) enough to make 1) cease.
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Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I said it was 10000 and that was told to me by a mate whose a member so take it with a pinch of salt
Jurgen the German
David Ginola
The West Ham comparison was an extreme example. I realise our hierarchy treat our fans miles better but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if some on here were on board with the idea.
The comment about people being shouted down wasn’t so much about the trust as such (although ironically there is some of that going on in a this thread). It was more a general observation about how some respond to fans who question the club, the way the club is run etc. Take the last transfer window for example, loads of people were saying calm down we will sign someone, then when we didn’t sign anyone those same people changed their tune almost immediately when the window closed and said it was the correct decision when two days prior they were saying we would sign at least one player.
The same thing went on at Arsenal when half of the fanbase wanted Wenger out. Fans were shouted down, albeit with more venom.
Bullet
Luka Modric
This might be your main aim in life, but you shouldn't assume it is true for others!
I agree with you that they often come across very poorly. I agree the club 'put up with them' rather than valuing their contribution.
But I also know they do a lot of work for people in need e.g. lost tickets, beaten up by stewards or police abroad.
They do both good and bad, it is not 100% one way or the other, there is light and dark here.
Bullet
Luka Modric
I think SOME people were saying "We need to replace Toby, Dembele, Rose if they go.... and we can afford to release some deadwood... so let's go and get someone..." but of course, keeping Toby, Dembele and Rose meant we had less money and less need.
BUT I agree we should have signed someone, and got rid of some deadwood, there must be deals out there if the team is good enough to find the deal.
ricky2tricky4city
Jack Jull
This is up there with the pseudoscience thread for entrenched positions.
I suppose the Trust's overplayed affect on club matters is a bit pseudosciencensy (is that a word?)
I suppose the Trust's overplayed affect on club matters is a bit pseudosciencensy (is that a word?
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I only see them via their interactions with the club.
I commend them for their work in the issues you've described - that's what people claiming to represent the fans should be doing. Why they feel the need to waste Levy's time and continually make self-important statements to the press, I don't know.