1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Thanks, scara
    Dismiss Notice

The youth players/on-loan thread 2016-17

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by milo, 10 Jul 2016.

  1. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Jack Jull

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    13,562
    Likes Received:
    5,932
    Location:
    Up your arse
    Best team won, hope we can learn a few things from it and move on.

    Few of those Chelsea lads are really good prospects and for their sake and the future of the England national side I hope those players do not sign contracts but leave and go to clubs that play them, then they stand a chance of becoming real players.
     
    Robbo likes this.
  2. Cochise

    Cochise Steve Carr

    Joined:
    1 Sep 2013
    Messages:
    7,418
    Likes Received:
    2,325
    Will this be their fourth year in a row winning the FAYC??

    It's criminal that they can have such a good system but hardly promote from within. I know the Chelsea fans will bang on about RLC and perhaps Chalobah being in the first team squad, but RLC is barely getting chances and Chalobah isn't near good enough (though his younger brother looked a cut above tonight).

    So far as our lads go, they looked so out of their depth with the movement that Chelsea had. Defensively we were all over the place starting with the midfielders rarely tracking back, our fullbacks were completely outmatched and that pulled our CB's out of shape often. I didn't think the two lads in CM offered much of a defensive screen, nor were the front 4 linking up all too often. TBH the only player in our ranks that looked half decent was #8 when he was on the ball. The rest didn't look positionally aware nor hungry enough.
     
  3. Yiddo

    Yiddo Edgar Davids

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    6,557
    Likes Received:
    1,355
    Location:
    Lurking
    Aren't our youth teams full of younger players promoted from the teams below?
     
    Bedfordspurs likes this.
  4. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Paul Stewart

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    18,973
    Likes Received:
    11,343
    Chelsea problem is the same as city's - the better your first team the harder it is for youngsters to get a chance as to have to be of that standard; and to get there the youngsters need games

    It's a chicken and egg scenario. You can't develop them into the first team without games yet they can't be first team ready until they play there

    Our set up is different as we bring them in gently but with a lower demand on them IMO

    You do also have to question how good do those players actually become when their men. Think of McCrechran who was their last great white hype... he never did it on loan anywhere at a lower level so was never gonna cut it at Chelseas level. Abrahams though has shined on loan and has shown that he has ability and the right attitude. He needs to play first team prem football next season so he won't be doing that at Chelsea... maybe Swansea as a good fit

    City are very similar and their the top two youth sides in the country (city have been good for youth for a very long time though)... and there is now talk of them losing their best youngsters as they won't sign perm contracts due to not getting games
     
    Spur of the moment likes this.
  5. Yoof

    Yoof Tony Parks

    Joined:
    22 Apr 2015
    Messages:
    956
    Likes Received:
    984
    Not really. Yesterday's team had 7 U18s and 4 U17s, Chelsea were pretty much the same. Not many have played above their age group in the past couple of years, mainly due to numbers and them being at a physical disadvantage as we typically take in smaller players. I don't want to make it sound as though Chelsea only beat us due them being superior athletes though, I've seen them beat us when that's been the case but in this tie they were just superior in every department. Still, it doesn't guarantee that they'll make it to a higher level at the end of the day and as long as we keep producing one or two for the 1st team from each group and then a couple more who can bring in some money then the academy is doing its job. Also have to remember that the best player from this age group has already been bumped up to the 1st team squad.
     
    Hemant likes this.
  6. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Dean Richards

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    6,336
    Likes Received:
    4,521
    Location:
    Bermondsey London
    Exactly the point, the academy is there to produce first team players not youth cup winners, all very nice to win but I ( a park player) played with a player who won the FA youth cup.
     
    braineclipse and milo like this.
  7. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Steffen Iversen

    Joined:
    7 Feb 2012
    Messages:
    9,483
    Likes Received:
    8,315
    Real Madrid are considering a move for former Tottenham left-back Yuri Berchiche, 27, who did not play a single league game while at White Hart Lane between 2008-10. Spaniard Berchiche was loaned out to Cheltenham Town while at Spurs. (Marca)
     
  8. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Jack Jull

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    13,562
    Likes Received:
    5,932
    Location:
    Up your arse
    Just heard Brighton will be putting a bid in for our former youngster Fredricks at Fulham apparently in the 5m bracket. Did not really get to see him when he was with us, would be cool if another youth product could get up to the prem.
     
  9. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Paul Stalteri

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    7,175
    Likes Received:
    3,630
    Was disappointed that Fredericks was allowed to leave, he looked useful defensively and mighty impressive going forward when he came on as a sub at h/t in one of our Euro ties a few seasons back.

    But I also remember a certain poster on here saying quite categorically he would never make it. Hopefully he can go some way to proving Mumorn wrong by coming up with Brighton next season. :D
     
    Bedfordspurs likes this.
  10. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Jack Jull

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    13,562
    Likes Received:
    5,932
    Location:
    Up your arse
    Edwards an unused sub for the under 19s last night,
     
  11. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Paul Stalteri

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    7,175
    Likes Received:
    3,630
    Has had precious little game time since returning from injury so presumable still some way short of match fitness.
     
  12. Hemant

    Hemant Terry Yorath

    Joined:
    22 Jul 2014
    Messages:
    703
    Likes Received:
    250
    But at this level, perhaps it is even more an imperative that the Coach gets it right. I felt McDermott failed to recognise our difficulties in central midfield, in both legs, and leaving out Bennetts and Shakshoua for the second leg, lost us a bit of a threat.
    Not scoring those early chances and missing the penalty didn't help, but Chelsea also missed some good early chances while being more clinical.

    Somewhat ironic that Jody Moriss had a bigger team physically than us while he himself was a small player but he did totally outmanoeuvre McDrmott tactically. I was impressed with him especially as their players made much better decisions, which is down to coaching on the training pitch.
     
  13. Whiffler

    Whiffler Jonathan Woodgate

    Joined:
    8 Mar 2013
    Messages:
    4,190
    Likes Received:
    1,445
  14. Yoof

    Yoof Tony Parks

    Joined:
    22 Apr 2015
    Messages:
    956
    Likes Received:
    984
    Played today against Belarus, got a goal and a couple of assists.

     
  15. Cochise

    Cochise Steve Carr

    Joined:
    1 Sep 2013
    Messages:
    7,418
    Likes Received:
    2,325
    Am I right in thinking that he's only got 1 year left on his contract after this summer?
     
  16. Yoof

    Yoof Tony Parks

    Joined:
    22 Apr 2015
    Messages:
    956
    Likes Received:
    984
    Yeah.
     
  17. Cochise

    Cochise Steve Carr

    Joined:
    1 Sep 2013
    Messages:
    7,418
    Likes Received:
    2,325
  18. Denmark Spur

    Denmark Spur Chris Armstrong

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    5,309
    Likes Received:
    2,371
    Location:
    Denmark
  19. Yoof

    Yoof Tony Parks

    Joined:
    22 Apr 2015
    Messages:
    956
    Likes Received:
    984
    Some brief Marcus Edwards highlights in this video from 5 minutes onwards:

     
  20. Rorschach

    Rorschach Terry Dyson

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    24,398
    Likes Received:
    13,021
    Location:
    ...here
    Alexander-Arnold looks a talent.
     

Share This Page