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The Stats Thread

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by zin, 4 Dec 2012.

  1. jts1882

    jts1882 Justin Edinburgh

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    As a general point, actual goals conceded and scored will be a better reflection of final league position for obvious reasons. The expected goals is a useful tool earlier in the season when the number of goals scored is relatively lower. I'd like to see expected and actual goals plotted together so as to reveal the anomalies (vectors between actual and real would highlight large anomalies).

    When we look at reasons for deviation from expected and reality, the role of the goalkeeper can be especially important. De Gea with United springs to mind and the actual 0.77 goals conceded explains their position better. West Brom's 1.58 conceded also shifts them to the relegation zone, although I'm not sure Foster can be blamed.

    Liverpool's 2.35 goals scored versus ~1.9 expected can easily explained by Ham Salad, although United's 1.93 versus 1.55 is much harder to explain.
     
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    I'd need to check something more reliable, but my memory has Utd scoring a few long range goals this season compared to others.
     
  3. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Barry Daines

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    Recently more so but Lukaku who is top scorer hasn’t scored a goal outside the area I believe
     
  4. Bullet

    Bullet Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    United are "doing a Leicester" this year i.e. roughing people up, fouling, diving, sitting deep, breaking away and scuffing in 1 chance and then scrapping it out.

    /offtopic, what happened to that Zlatan fella?
     
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    Cochise Paul Stalteri

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  6. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Barry Daines

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    Just turned up in LA... took out an advert in the papers to tell them he was there in case they got him messed up with the Zohan
     
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    Bullet Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    SteveAWOL Jimmy Neighbour

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    Spur of the moment Paul Stalteri

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  10. alekaras

    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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  11. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Paul Stalteri

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    Yup, that, the FA Cup and the PL next season.

    Nice!
     
  12. milo

    milo Ralph Coates Staff Member

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    Bullet Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Very nice Milo. Click on Minutes or Matches or Age.
    Then click on Search Player Name and type Kane.
    Click on Harry Kane.
    Revel in the majestic angle of his dangle. So erect, so proud, lying right on top of Ronaldo and Messi, hard and true, pulsating and unabashed. Naked ambition, pure poetry.
     
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    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    ShipOfTheseus Jose Dominguez

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    Wow. Lovely. And that's not even counting our away games at the Neasden Megadome.
     
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    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    Last year we had a great home record. This year we had a great away record. Now if we can bring it all together next year...
     
  17. jts1882

    jts1882 Justin Edinburgh

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    Our away records have been fairly consistent over the last few seasons. Last year we added an exceptional home record.

    2011-12: 27pts (4th)
    2012-13: 34pts (4th)
    2013-14: 33pts (6th)
    2014-15: 31pts (4th)
    2015-16: 34pts (2nd)
    2016-17: 33pts (5th)
    2017-18: 34pts (?)

    I was particularly disappointed about the West Brom game as we should have improved our best away performance in the PL.
     
  18. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Paul Stalteri

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    And the bottom line is all about the Arse. :D
     
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    jts1882 Justin Edinburgh

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    The discussion in Poch's thread made me look at the relative performance based on revenues and wages. The numbers have to be last year, though, and come from the Swiss Rambler.

    Revenue.
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    The revenue table matches results fairly well, with a few exceptions. The two Manchester clubs reverse the top two (but see wages below), while we swap places with Arsenal, finishing +3 in places. For all the praise of Klopp he had Liverpool where they should be. Leicester (without CL monies), Everton, Palace and Newcastle (I assume they would be top ten) finish about where they should, but West Ham and Southampton underperformed.

    I assume Brighton and Huddersfield would have been relegation favourites based on revenue and it looks like Burnley would have been next in line, which makes their 7th place remarkable. Watford, Swansea and Stoke would be next in line for relegation, although there is not much in it in the bottom half. If Southampton had managed relegation it would have been a complete screw up.

    Wages paint a similar picture with a few differences. City winning by such a margin is a good performance or United's is bad or a bit of both. Chelsea wasted a £100m wage gap to miss champions league, Liverpool are again where they should be, and Arsenal's slip is not so dramatic. Our performance is still +3 places, but the gulf in wages shows how well Poch has done.

    Again Burnley are the major overperformers, while Leicester and Everton are where they should be. West Ham's fall is not so dramatic, which makes you wonder what the owners are using the revenue for.

    Southampton were the major underperformer, but they just got away with it. Swansea and Stoke also did very badly for their wages, which means they could be in big trouble unless they can dump the high-paid underachievers. Anyone want a bet on a double drop fro Swansea?

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    SteveAWOL Jimmy Neighbour

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