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The Stats Thread

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by zin, 4 Dec 2012.

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    Hidden Stephen Clemence

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    Says a lot
     

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    the dza Christian Ziege

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    That does make a lot of sense. If you watch Man Utd play, it's impossible to think that they are the 2nd best team in the country and yet they are 2nd in the table. They are barely the 5th best side imo, just ar5ehole lucky with an amazing goal-keeper.

    Yes, I am bitter about it haha
     
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    jts1882 Justin Edinburgh

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    We dropped more points at home in August (5) than we did in the whole of last season (4). It was always going to be very difficult to match that, even without the change to Wembley. We had to improve the away record to match last season and that is pretty much the same (down marginally from 33/19 [1.73] to 20/12[1.67]) . The away record was 5th best both seasons, but home form is 4th best instead of best.
     
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    jts1882 Justin Edinburgh

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    I found the following interesting although I'm still not sure entirely why.

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    Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...rogress-when-tottenham-come-to-town-nslggv388
    P.S. Wenger should be 1 year 8 months. He was appointed 22 September 1996 and presumably had won the title by end of May 1998.

    Every new manager to win the PL for the first time in the last 20 years has done so in their first full season. So rather than managers building a title winning team, the managers are bought in to take a team over the top (Leicester being the exception of all exceptions). Mourinho came in to take Chelsea from Ranieri's second to first, Conte took over Mourhinho's Chelsea after their gap year, Ancelotti, Pellegrini and Mancini were taking Buggin's-turn to manage expensively assembled squads. Dalglish was the last manager to build a squad over time to win the title for a first time. The only managers given a chance to build were those who had already won it at the club.

    The financials are stacked against them, anyway, but it makes you wonder whether Poch or Klopp will be able to do it. Perhaps when Poch goes to Madrid, it will be our next manager to finish the job.

    Of course the numbers are skewed by the fact that five of the recent managers were at Chelsea and City and the rest of the titles (again with the Leicester exception) were won by long serving managers (Ferguson and Wenger). So it probably means nothing.
     
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    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    It's interesting because it took Ferguson almost 4 years to win a first trophy. And in an era without financial doping. So all the "but have they won a trophy" musers can go stuff themselves. We're getting there against the odds.
     
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    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    How about those that understand stats and still, by and large, say they are either useless or at best treated with a healthy disdain?

    BTW, is it true that we haven't yet come back from conceding an opening goal to win in the PL this season?

    Certainly we have lost against Man U, Man C, Arse and Leicester away and Chelscum at home after conceding the first goal. Also, we have only managed draws against Watford, Pool and Soton after conceding the first goal. This is perhaps a reflection of our slow start in games, but have we actually won after conceding first this season?

    This is definitely something we need to rectify asap.
     
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    scaramanga Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    They're part of the latter group and don't properly understand statistics.
     
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    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Binary codswallop!
     
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    scaramanga Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    Those who think stats are useless are on top of mount stupid.

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    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    And self confessed experts are "an unknown quantity and a drip under pressure".
     
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    Anybody actually has a doubt who will win PFA Player of the season award?
     
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    Raziel Nick Barmby

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    Titles by and large have been bought in recent times

    - Chelsea/City have made hay when pieces line up (no CL participation, lucky season re no injuries, etc.)

    Pool/Klopp will never win the PL, Klopp simply lacks the understanding of the role of a defense over 38 games, it's amusingly naïve in some ways. And Pool itself is still unsettled, I could actually see Ham Salad going at end of this season.

    We will need some combination of another WC player (or Dele to step up to his promise of last season), plus City/Chelsea not to have a stellar season, the Leicester season was the one, just probably a year too early for Poch/squad.
     
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    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    It would be totally deserved. I think De Bruyne has been heads and shoulders the best player in the PL this year, dare I say even above our own Harry.
     
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    alekaras The ITK of IDK

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    No need to raise eyebrows. Yanited have been incredibly lucky. Just think back to our game and how many more we could have scored. It's been like this in most games for them. Some invisible force field affecting opposition players and keeping the ball out of their net. And De Gea, of course.
     
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    Months pass, but ManUre are still on their way to 2nd place, being only 6th(!) best team in the league.


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    elltrev Pascal Chimbonda

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    I love XG, but its fundamental flaw is that it doesn’t take into account how many players are between the ball and the goal when the shot is taken. So it underrates teams that sit deep and attack on the counter.

    Which, it pains me to say, might be at least in part the case for the Man U stats - given what we all know about that clam Mourinho’s preferred style.
     
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    scaramanga Terry Dyson Staff Member

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    Some versions do. I believe Caley includes the type of attack - whether it's a break, a slow build up, etc.
     

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