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The Art of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 28 Feb 2018.

  1. scaramanga

    scaramanga Steve Sedgley Staff Member

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    I'm very happy with this. The sooner those transgressions are stopped the better.
     
  2. Wilheldiva

    Wilheldiva Calum Davenport

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  3. Wilheldiva

    Wilheldiva Calum Davenport

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    i think i agree.

    but, i also think that this isn't what the vast majority of football fans want. var just highlights the "stupiditiy" of how football officiating works (and often the referees), and its really no good for anyone.

    a better solution would simply have been for referees to enforce the more obvious "mistakes" that they have been making over the years, and gradually get closer to the letter of the law across all aspects of the rules. this would have been more palatable for everyone.
     
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  4. jaysea67

    jaysea67 Espen Baardsen

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    Rather a misleading headline from the BBC. It's the rule on being cautioned for encroachment ... which has been suspended and then (as the headline does say) the change is for penalty shootouts only - not for penalties taken during normal time.
     
  5. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    If it is a bookable offence, why exempt them in the phase of the game that is most important (the penalty shootout)?

    The position seems to be that cards should be given except when it matters most.
     
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  6. Robbo

    Robbo Pat van den Hauwe

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    Norway lucky just now. VAR decided against a penalty, which I thought was clear cut from the first replay.

    Then again what do I know about the ever changing handball rules.
     
  7. Daisuk

    Daisuk Pedro Mendes

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    I thought the opposite, didn't look like handball to me. But then again, what do I know about the ever changing handball rules. :p
     
  8. Robbo

    Robbo Pat van den Hauwe

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    Her twisting the upper body/shoulder towards the ball made it a pen for me. It was an unnatural position, and without that deliberate twist I would've said it wasn't a pen. But of course I know feck all about the rules, so you’re probably right. :D
     
  9. Wilheldiva

    Wilheldiva Calum Davenport

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    to add to this point, GK's staying on the line is supposed to be such a vital part of penalties, that a dedicated linesman is assigned to specifically keep an eye out for this. but the prem dont wanna use var here? you just couldn't make it up.
     
  10. elyid

    elyid Jose Dominguez

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    Interview with Mike Riley over the w/e who says that the PL will have a higher bar for VAR decisions.

    Riley said that many of the penalties awarded for handball in the Women’s World Cup and Champions League — including those awarded against Tottenham Hotspur’s Danny Rose and Moussa Sissoko in the Champions League quarter-final and final respectively — would not be given in the Premier League.

    How can you have different rules depending on the competition? Absolute flimflam if that’s the case
     
  11. galeforce

    galeforce Teddy Sheringham

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    I'd rather have bad rules implemented consistently than good rules implemented randomly.
     
  12. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Jermaine Jenas

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    The whole thing is a mess....
     
  13. elyid

    elyid Jose Dominguez

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    400% agree. Football -- and VAR -- needs to have a clear set of rules (even if supporters don't agree).

    Sadly, I can already foresee a clear handball against us not even going to VAR and costing us points.

    I don't normally condone violence, but if that happens I would be quite pleased if a supporter ran on the pitch, shouts something about the CL final, and then punches the ref in the face.
     
  14. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Dean Richards

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    So according to this tweet (I don't have a Times subscription to get behind the paywall), there will be no pitch side reviews in the PL either. Is that for everything or just in relation to handball incidents? Sounds like for everything. Meaning more decisions will be made by the VAR rather than the on-pitch referee. Whether or not that's a good thing is a separate debate, but it's not how VAR is supposed to work at the moment.
    How much latitude should individual leagues have?

    Edit - in fact this is not even the league making the call, it's the referees' association.
     
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  15. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    This was a big no no for FIFA when they introduced VAR - their point was the on field Ref still makes the decisions and will still have final say so. Not judging if its good or not but it is a big difference.
     
  16. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Dean Richards

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    Agree. That's not about interpretation of a rule (rightly or wrongly), rather it's making a fundamental change to the process itself, which I would not have thought would be (nor should be) in Mike Riley's remit.
     
  17. mudshark

    mudshark Jermaine Jenas

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    And they say all that now, but when the Euros or the WC roll around again and they realise players won't be used to worrying about the more stringent rulings, there'll be panic an adjustment.
     
  18. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    I would have thought so as well - I think this is the full article and its a slightly different thing- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...premier-league-riley/articleshow/70127721.cms

    Basically says they will be more strict on when they chose to go to VAR.

    One of the big things people expect/ed with VAR was that it would stop the conspiracy of bias towards big clubs, imo it will be worse as fans will think big clubs get more VAR decisions.
     
  19. scaramanga

    scaramanga Steve Sedgley Staff Member

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    Actually the whole thing has simply served to highlight what was already a mess.

    VAR isn't functioning incorrectly, the lawmakers and referees are - just as they always have been.
     
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  20. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    I disagree, refing in practice has always been done on precedent rather than the letter of the law. Trying to ref on the letter of the law has just highlighted that this was the case.
     

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