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The Art of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Gutter Boy, 28 Feb 2018.

  1. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Dean Richards

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    Then they are also brick at their job.
    Again, not the tech that's the issue.
     
  2. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Im still angry about that Mendes goal that was ignored, the Lampard one that wasn’t, the red card Cahill should have had, Verts being flagged offside in his own half, I bear a grudge like Thorgrim, but I have no issue with the penalty call last night, it was the correct decision.
     
  3. P.D.

    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    I'm sure there will be plenty of debate on VAR next season but given the stakes these days I'm in favour of having it in, will never get everything right but should mean we're getting the majority correct which can only be a good thing. I'm sure it will evolve in time as well, I wonder if they might move to some form of cricket system where teams maybe get 2 appeals for something per match for instance.
     
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    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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  5. Legohamster

    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Coming to the PL next season.

    Sake.
     
  6. jts1882

    jts1882 Chris Armstrong

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    Anyone seen the mess the African confederation have made about a team walking off because VAR was not available? Makes the FA, UEFA and FIFA look functional.
     
  7. afsoc4life

    afsoc4life Eidur Gudjohnsen

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    ^The match in question is to be replayed.
     
  8. elyid

    elyid Neil Sullivan

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    Clear and obvious :)

    Someone here once linked to FIFAs guidelines on using VAR and one of the points was that it should be obvious when viewed in real time. I see that has gone on the window, and it's now based on slow motion and feeze frames.

    I personally think that's fine if it's 400% consistent... if this level of scrutiny also applies to Man U, Liverpool , Chelsea etc. then even though it seems a bit dumb atm at least every team will be on a level playing field.

    However, if the ball brushes against one of our opponents hands in the box and a penalty isn't given then the whole thing is bs.
     
  9. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Mauricio Taricco

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    Attackers are supposed to receive benefit of the doubt aren't they? Or is that no longer the case with VAR?
     
  10. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Alf Ramsey

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    Problem being for offside, even when it comes down to just a couple of inches - as was the case for Lingard's disallowed goal against the Netherlands - VAR effectively annihilates the doubt.
     
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  11. nayenezgani

    nayenezgani Mauricio Taricco

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    Good point. I liked the doubt though and I'm with Poch on his thoughts that VAR could really suck the magic and drama out of our beloved game.
     
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  12. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Alf Ramsey

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    Agree. I've already stopped letting rip when we score in cup games, how sad is that.:eek:

    Flipside though is there's always a chance an opposition goal will end up being disallowed, which for us vs CIty and Ajax was actually more insane than anything I've ever experienced before.

    So it can cut both ways.
     
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  13. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    It doesn't we don't yet have the technology for it to be black and white, where the picture is recorded and frame rate are two of the big issues (there's plenty out there discussing this in detail).

    For it to remove doubt and accurately measure in cm's you would need cameras with frame rates / angles like the 100m replays.
     
  14. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Alf Ramsey

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    I get what your saying but I'm talking about what we're shown on the screen, which is presumably the same as what the ref has to go by. To that extent it removes all reasonable doubt. Although come to think of it there was a case recently where the line was wonky so maybe you do have a point there.

    The point is once you see on a screen that a boot is marginally ahead or not as the case may be, unless it IS literally millimetres (in which case the ref surely has to favour the attacker?) it's black and white and that's all there is to it.

    No doubt over time the technology and camera angles will improve even further - to the point where the whole thing becomes utterly absurd - but the ref will still need to make his mind up based purely on what he is shown. Even a few millimetres would then make it black and white.
     
  15. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    But there is a reasonable doubt of what's on screen is a true representation, if players are moving in opposite directions the difference between the frame before the ball is struck and striking the ball can be significant... Easily account for the inches Lingard was offside by for example.

    It doesn't remove doubt at those margins it just moves it to the cameras rather than the ref.
     
  16. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Alf Ramsey

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    I know, I know, I'm not disputing that. I'm saying the ref and we the viewers will still have to go only by what we are shown on the screen.
     
  17. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    I doubt Lingards goal was offside - even with VAR. I understand the screen can still show a false impression so should the refs and governing bodies so if we are doing VAR offside should also be clear and obvious imo.
     
  18. parklane1

    parklane1 Andy Thompson

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    It already is .:(
     
  19. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Vedran Corluka

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    Thing is, there is already something that can cut short your wild celebrations....the linesman flag, it is effectively doing the same thing you suggest VAR is doing.

    So although there are more rules that VAR will stick it's nose into, it not a brand new dynamic.
     
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  20. r-u-s-x

    r-u-s-x Young-Pyo Lee

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    flag is immediate - I look over as soon as a goal is scored for that indication.
     

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