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Stadium Thread
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greatwhitenorf
Vedran Corluka
Re: Northumberland Development Project
When it's all said and done, we will always be able to say our club played in a proper football ground. Unlike West Ham, who will wither in that mongrel of stadium they'll call home.
Have to say, I like the look of this alleged Anfield makeover. How many years now until they want to buy up the homes on the other sides?
When it's all said and done, we will always be able to say our club played in a proper football ground. Unlike West Ham, who will wither in that mongrel of stadium they'll call home.
Have to say, I like the look of this alleged Anfield makeover. How many years now until they want to buy up the homes on the other sides?
Sandman
Dean Austin
The Anfield build has some obstacles. The side that they run out of has loads of space behind so makes a lot of sense to just build a new stand there. But the end where the way fans go is right next to the road and there are houses there as well. So they will have to buy all those house and get the council to let them take away the road basically. Something tells me they will get it done quicker than us.
The first stand they're planning to do have a row of houses behind it, but don't they already own most of those? There was some talk a while a back about a lot of houses in the area being boarded up by the club, creating a ghost town around Anfield.
The second stand looks like it will be built over the road and into the park.
The second stand looks like it will be built over the road and into the park.
Sandman
Dean Austin
There are a lot of houses boarded up around Anfield but its not the ones around the ground. Its the streets on the other side of Anfield road. The roads opposite the Kop. They are boarded up with metal to stop squatters. Its a horrible area to be honest. I hate parking around there.
Everton have identified a site for a new 50,000-seat stadium but require council support similar to that behind Emirates Marketing Project's move to the Etihad Stadium, including the possibility of becoming tenants, before relocating from Goodison Park.
Everton have worked closely on stadium proposals with Liverpool city council since the collapse of their controversial "Destination Kirkby" project in 2009. One site, believed to be Walton Hall Park, not far from Everton's historic home, has emerged as the preferred option and plans have advanced to the design stage, with the stadium part of a wider regeneration scheme.
Robert Elstone, the club's chief executive, confirmed a new stadium "remains a big priority" at Everton's general meeting at the Philharmonic Hall in Liverpool on Tuesday . Everton hope a new build will finally attract fresh investment as happened to City following their move to the City of Manchester Stadium in 2003. But they also need the financial support that City received from their local council, plus an arrangement on the ownership structure, before committing to the move.
"We're not ruling out any of the sites that we've identified and that the council has presented to us but there is one site that's getting more attention," Elstone confirmed before the general meeting. "It has been getting more attention for a number of months, it's been worked on very carefully and diligently, not only by Everton but by the council, planners, architects, advisers, cost consultants, regeneration experts, solicitors and so on.
"There is a lot of work going into something that we're excited about and we hope it comes to fruition. If it does come to fruition we think it would be something that the city will be very proud of and we're certain our fans will be very proud of but we have to reflect that in our case it's quite a different economic model to some of the clubs who have moved historically. When they've moved they have had big shortages of capacity and big waiting lists and in that sense the economic model has been relatively compelling and if they build it then they'll fill it and it will pay for itself. In Everton's case that's not quite as cut and dried. For us it's as much about future-proofing, it's potentially about attracting new investment, but the business case on a day to day basis is less than compelling which is why the board is currently looking not only at this opportunity but also the associated risks and the debt that the club might have to take on to deliver it which may or may not be the right thing for us to do. That's exactly where we are in terms of the project and that consideration is ongoing by the board. We will need a collaboration with a number of partners, the principal partner being Liverpool City council, but there is a degree of optimism, perhaps cautious optimism, but definitely optimism and we wouldn't be investing in what we're doing without thinking it had a chance of success."
The Everton board is expected to decide on the financial viability of the scheme in the next few months. Everton have worked on a stadium plan with Liverpool city council before, the aborted Kings Dock project, but Elstone believes the wider economic benefits of Emirates Marketing Project's move has brought fresh impetus to their latest partnership.
"We need the council to be supportive, financially and entrepreneurially, and at the moment there are signs that they are being that and that has to be welcomed, we are delighted with that," he said. "As a case study you can present Emirates Marketing Project as a great example of what can be achieved through a sporting led regeneration and that's a tremendous blueprint that we hope we can follow."
Elstone added: "If you've got a new stadium with 10,000 extra seats and you fill it every week it generates about £5m per year. When you've paid for extra security, maintenance, cleaning, lighting, heating, £5m per year might be the wages of one Premier League player or one and a half Premier League players. It comes back to the economic imperative of this which is if we build a new stadium we're not going to be signing three or four Champions League players on the back of that new stadium. That's why this is more challenging for the board than it might have been in Arsenal's case or one or two other clubs who have moved stadium."
Everton also projected a healthier financial position at the general meeting, largely on the back of the new record-breaking broadcasting deal. Unaudited figures for the current financial year forecast a turnover of £117m compared to £86m in 2012/13, with wages falling to 55% of turnover compared to a Premier League average of 72%, and predict that net liabilities will drop from £42.7m in 2012/13 to £12.9m in 2013/14.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/29/everton-new-50000-seater-stadium-scheme-goodison
Everton have worked closely on stadium proposals with Liverpool city council since the collapse of their controversial "Destination Kirkby" project in 2009. One site, believed to be Walton Hall Park, not far from Everton's historic home, has emerged as the preferred option and plans have advanced to the design stage, with the stadium part of a wider regeneration scheme.
Robert Elstone, the club's chief executive, confirmed a new stadium "remains a big priority" at Everton's general meeting at the Philharmonic Hall in Liverpool on Tuesday . Everton hope a new build will finally attract fresh investment as happened to City following their move to the City of Manchester Stadium in 2003. But they also need the financial support that City received from their local council, plus an arrangement on the ownership structure, before committing to the move.
"We're not ruling out any of the sites that we've identified and that the council has presented to us but there is one site that's getting more attention," Elstone confirmed before the general meeting. "It has been getting more attention for a number of months, it's been worked on very carefully and diligently, not only by Everton but by the council, planners, architects, advisers, cost consultants, regeneration experts, solicitors and so on.
"There is a lot of work going into something that we're excited about and we hope it comes to fruition. If it does come to fruition we think it would be something that the city will be very proud of and we're certain our fans will be very proud of but we have to reflect that in our case it's quite a different economic model to some of the clubs who have moved historically. When they've moved they have had big shortages of capacity and big waiting lists and in that sense the economic model has been relatively compelling and if they build it then they'll fill it and it will pay for itself. In Everton's case that's not quite as cut and dried. For us it's as much about future-proofing, it's potentially about attracting new investment, but the business case on a day to day basis is less than compelling which is why the board is currently looking not only at this opportunity but also the associated risks and the debt that the club might have to take on to deliver it which may or may not be the right thing for us to do. That's exactly where we are in terms of the project and that consideration is ongoing by the board. We will need a collaboration with a number of partners, the principal partner being Liverpool City council, but there is a degree of optimism, perhaps cautious optimism, but definitely optimism and we wouldn't be investing in what we're doing without thinking it had a chance of success."
The Everton board is expected to decide on the financial viability of the scheme in the next few months. Everton have worked on a stadium plan with Liverpool city council before, the aborted Kings Dock project, but Elstone believes the wider economic benefits of Emirates Marketing Project's move has brought fresh impetus to their latest partnership.
"We need the council to be supportive, financially and entrepreneurially, and at the moment there are signs that they are being that and that has to be welcomed, we are delighted with that," he said. "As a case study you can present Emirates Marketing Project as a great example of what can be achieved through a sporting led regeneration and that's a tremendous blueprint that we hope we can follow."
Elstone added: "If you've got a new stadium with 10,000 extra seats and you fill it every week it generates about £5m per year. When you've paid for extra security, maintenance, cleaning, lighting, heating, £5m per year might be the wages of one Premier League player or one and a half Premier League players. It comes back to the economic imperative of this which is if we build a new stadium we're not going to be signing three or four Champions League players on the back of that new stadium. That's why this is more challenging for the board than it might have been in Arsenal's case or one or two other clubs who have moved stadium."
Everton also projected a healthier financial position at the general meeting, largely on the back of the new record-breaking broadcasting deal. Unaudited figures for the current financial year forecast a turnover of £117m compared to £86m in 2012/13, with wages falling to 55% of turnover compared to a Premier League average of 72%, and predict that net liabilities will drop from £42.7m in 2012/13 to £12.9m in 2013/14.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/29/everton-new-50000-seater-stadium-scheme-goodison
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Excellent post, totally agree.
SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
@jouracule: Royal BAM Group will renovate De Kuip (cost: €200m) - work begins next summer ends in 2018 - capacity grows to 70,000 pic.twitter.com/OjM2qEkXmi
http://www.bam.eu/press/press-relea...um-welcomes-positive-recommendation-of-scouts
http://www.bam.eu/press/press-relea...um-welcomes-positive-recommendation-of-scouts
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
Rapid Vienna are on the verge of announcing a new ground to be finished by 2016. Will be called The Allianz Stadium. I'll post pictures as soon as the club releases visuals.
£100m Anfield renovation will ensure permanent legacy of Fenway Sports Group's reign, says Liverpool chairman
FSG will extending Anfield to an initial 53,250 capacity as soon as they have the green light from city planners
Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman, says the £100 million renovation of Anfield will be the defining moment of Fenway Sports Group’s reign, ensuring a permanent legacy on Merseyside.
An issue that has been unresolved for 14 years and forced the two previous owners to sell because they did not have the finances to build a new arena is finally drawing to a conclusion.
Agreements have been signed with all homeowners in the surrounding area and a planning application for the new Main Stand – extending Anfield to an initial 53,250 capacity – was put in place this week. FSG will start building as soon as they have the green light from city planners, and following a prolonged consultation process where consensus from all parties was sought, significant opposition to the scheme is not anticipated.
Liverpool hope to eventually take the capacity to 58,000 with a second phase expansion of the Anfield Road and there is no underestimating how significant progress is to safeguard the club's future after so many false dawns.
Clear parallels can be drawn to what happened when FSG took over Boston Red Sox.
”I have to agree with the idea this is a monumental moment for us as a club,” said Werner.
“This will be our legacy at Liverpool, resolving the stadium issue. I am as proud of protecting and preserving Fenway Park in Boston as I am the three World Series we have won and will feel exactly the same way about repeating this at Anfield. It will be the most exciting day at Anfield in 2016 when we can welcome the additional supporters to the stadium.
“I think this will change the future of the club. What has been hanging over the club’s head is we simply could not accept the status quo. We did not want to make any promises that could not be delivered so we wanted a solution, but a solution was not as simple because of cost and time issues. We could have built a new stadium but we always felt the fans have an emotional attachment to Anfield, just like the Boston Red Sox with Fenway Park.
“It’s been a process with a lot of twists and turns in part because we were dealing with property owners and neighbourhood in addition to the conception issues, deciding the right scheme and the cost. Everything is expensive. In addition to normal discussions about renovation there have been a lot of discussions about property acquisitions.
“A solution is a modern stadium but if you solve problems such as seat comfort and ease of access getting to and from the park and all those things related to the surround infrastructure – we thought we could redevelop and this would be the best solution. I also like the idea of a phased approach so we will develop in stages.”
FSG abandoned previous plans to build a stadium on Stanley Park because the financial risk was too great.
“A question we had to ask was could Liverpool sustain a 65,000 seater stadium on Stanley Park?” said Werner.
“It was an issue in itself. If you can guarantee Champions League football every season than absolutely, the answer is yes, but I’m not sure anyone can be certain of that. That makes our approach much more sensible, allowing for further expansion of the Anfield Road.
“We have been working on Fenway in stages since 2004. We have taken the capacity from 32,000 to 36,000 but there is more to it than an extra 4,000 seats. We spent £250 million of our own money to improve the ballpark and enhance the quality of the whole experience for those who watch the games.
“We were well aware of the disappointments the fans had felt for such a long time. Now we have exciting, real plans we can put into place, not just by expanding Anfield with 9,000 seats, but so everybody will see and feel the benefits. Just walking to the stadium and seeing the landscape will be an improvement.
“There is an emotional connection with Anfield which is similar to that at Fenway Park. When we bought the Red Sox we had an informal poll and there was a 50-50 split between those who wanted to stay at Fenway and those who wanted a new ballpark near the river. Really, you had to ask the right question and say to those who wanted to leave, what if we show you what we can do? Today, if you had the same poll I am sure 94 per cent would agree we made the right decision. It was not so much Anfield versus Stanley Park as have we really done all we can to establish what can be done at Anfield?
“We believe we can fill the corporate areas. Some of that is dictated by success on the pitch and we are certainly confident we are making a sound business decision.
“It has to make sense from a financial point of view. The improvements will eventually pay for themselves. Liverpool and Boston have a lot in common. They are not the capital city, or in the case of our rivals in New York the financial capital of the U.S.”
Liverpool expect to repay the costs of revamp by significantly increasing their matchday revenue to around £90 million a season, much of which will come by expanding corporate facilities – an essential component of the redesign.
Although a stadium sponsor would have solved many financial issues, Werner said the board understood the view of the supporters who would not welcome a change of stadium name.
“The idea of sponsorship – pursuing the Mercedes Benz stadium or similar – was not an option our supporters wanted,” said Werner.
“There could certainly be some form of branding within areas of the arena. It is still early and these will be for further discussion, but the first, immediate priority has focused on structural issues.
“We, as property owners, are very excited with the whole regeneration plan. It’s exciting that the neighbourhood will be transformed. I have heard some of the idea that other partners are investing in. The idea is for an outdoor market to resemble Borough Market in London – so there is every reason to think our commitment will be matched by other investors. That’s part of the responsibility we have as a club and a city.
“It is not just what is best for Liverpool but what is best for the whole area. If you go to Anfield in five years it is not just what is going on when the whistle blows that will form part of the experience.”
“I want to commend the Mayor Joe Anderson, Chief Executive Ged Fitzgerald and and Your Housing who worked together to make this happen. We have prodded each other at the right times to ensure we’ve reached this crucial stage.”
Liverpool hope to be able to start building in January 2015 with a the new stand open for the start of the 2016/17 season.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...rts-Groups-reign-says-Liverpool-chairman.html
FSG will extending Anfield to an initial 53,250 capacity as soon as they have the green light from city planners
Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman, says the £100 million renovation of Anfield will be the defining moment of Fenway Sports Group’s reign, ensuring a permanent legacy on Merseyside.
An issue that has been unresolved for 14 years and forced the two previous owners to sell because they did not have the finances to build a new arena is finally drawing to a conclusion.
Agreements have been signed with all homeowners in the surrounding area and a planning application for the new Main Stand – extending Anfield to an initial 53,250 capacity – was put in place this week. FSG will start building as soon as they have the green light from city planners, and following a prolonged consultation process where consensus from all parties was sought, significant opposition to the scheme is not anticipated.
Liverpool hope to eventually take the capacity to 58,000 with a second phase expansion of the Anfield Road and there is no underestimating how significant progress is to safeguard the club's future after so many false dawns.
Clear parallels can be drawn to what happened when FSG took over Boston Red Sox.
”I have to agree with the idea this is a monumental moment for us as a club,” said Werner.
“This will be our legacy at Liverpool, resolving the stadium issue. I am as proud of protecting and preserving Fenway Park in Boston as I am the three World Series we have won and will feel exactly the same way about repeating this at Anfield. It will be the most exciting day at Anfield in 2016 when we can welcome the additional supporters to the stadium.
“I think this will change the future of the club. What has been hanging over the club’s head is we simply could not accept the status quo. We did not want to make any promises that could not be delivered so we wanted a solution, but a solution was not as simple because of cost and time issues. We could have built a new stadium but we always felt the fans have an emotional attachment to Anfield, just like the Boston Red Sox with Fenway Park.
“It’s been a process with a lot of twists and turns in part because we were dealing with property owners and neighbourhood in addition to the conception issues, deciding the right scheme and the cost. Everything is expensive. In addition to normal discussions about renovation there have been a lot of discussions about property acquisitions.
“A solution is a modern stadium but if you solve problems such as seat comfort and ease of access getting to and from the park and all those things related to the surround infrastructure – we thought we could redevelop and this would be the best solution. I also like the idea of a phased approach so we will develop in stages.”
FSG abandoned previous plans to build a stadium on Stanley Park because the financial risk was too great.
“A question we had to ask was could Liverpool sustain a 65,000 seater stadium on Stanley Park?” said Werner.
“It was an issue in itself. If you can guarantee Champions League football every season than absolutely, the answer is yes, but I’m not sure anyone can be certain of that. That makes our approach much more sensible, allowing for further expansion of the Anfield Road.
“We have been working on Fenway in stages since 2004. We have taken the capacity from 32,000 to 36,000 but there is more to it than an extra 4,000 seats. We spent £250 million of our own money to improve the ballpark and enhance the quality of the whole experience for those who watch the games.
“We were well aware of the disappointments the fans had felt for such a long time. Now we have exciting, real plans we can put into place, not just by expanding Anfield with 9,000 seats, but so everybody will see and feel the benefits. Just walking to the stadium and seeing the landscape will be an improvement.
“There is an emotional connection with Anfield which is similar to that at Fenway Park. When we bought the Red Sox we had an informal poll and there was a 50-50 split between those who wanted to stay at Fenway and those who wanted a new ballpark near the river. Really, you had to ask the right question and say to those who wanted to leave, what if we show you what we can do? Today, if you had the same poll I am sure 94 per cent would agree we made the right decision. It was not so much Anfield versus Stanley Park as have we really done all we can to establish what can be done at Anfield?
“We believe we can fill the corporate areas. Some of that is dictated by success on the pitch and we are certainly confident we are making a sound business decision.
“It has to make sense from a financial point of view. The improvements will eventually pay for themselves. Liverpool and Boston have a lot in common. They are not the capital city, or in the case of our rivals in New York the financial capital of the U.S.”
Liverpool expect to repay the costs of revamp by significantly increasing their matchday revenue to around £90 million a season, much of which will come by expanding corporate facilities – an essential component of the redesign.
Although a stadium sponsor would have solved many financial issues, Werner said the board understood the view of the supporters who would not welcome a change of stadium name.
“The idea of sponsorship – pursuing the Mercedes Benz stadium or similar – was not an option our supporters wanted,” said Werner.
“There could certainly be some form of branding within areas of the arena. It is still early and these will be for further discussion, but the first, immediate priority has focused on structural issues.
“We, as property owners, are very excited with the whole regeneration plan. It’s exciting that the neighbourhood will be transformed. I have heard some of the idea that other partners are investing in. The idea is for an outdoor market to resemble Borough Market in London – so there is every reason to think our commitment will be matched by other investors. That’s part of the responsibility we have as a club and a city.
“It is not just what is best for Liverpool but what is best for the whole area. If you go to Anfield in five years it is not just what is going on when the whistle blows that will form part of the experience.”
“I want to commend the Mayor Joe Anderson, Chief Executive Ged Fitzgerald and and Your Housing who worked together to make this happen. We have prodded each other at the right times to ensure we’ve reached this crucial stage.”
Liverpool hope to be able to start building in January 2015 with a the new stand open for the start of the 2016/17 season.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...rts-Groups-reign-says-Liverpool-chairman.html
SoundAndVision
Michael Brown
Legit, i hate the soulless bowls from 10 years ago.Designs are much more interesting now.
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
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Emirates Marketing Project have announced a further stadium expansion which will increase the Etihad capacity to more than 55,000.
Work is already under way on a 6,000-seat expansion to the South Stand, and the latest initiative will see three rows of seats added at pitchside level.
Both projects are due for completion in time for the start of the 2015/16 season.
Tom Glick, City's chief commercial officer, said on the club's website: "We have always been committed to bringing fans closer to Emirates Marketing Project, to the players and to the pitch.
"Whether that's through digital innovation, community work, international tours, or as in this case, physically allowing fans to be right next to the action, it is our top priority. We are already looking forward to seeing the expanded stadium in action for the 15/16 season."
City also have planning permission for a third expansion which would add 6,000 further seats if undertaken.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...stadium-expansion-as-etihad-set-to-hold-55000
More seats for the sheikh to buy phony season tickets for at inflated prices.
Work is already under way on a 6,000-seat expansion to the South Stand, and the latest initiative will see three rows of seats added at pitchside level.
Both projects are due for completion in time for the start of the 2015/16 season.
Tom Glick, City's chief commercial officer, said on the club's website: "We have always been committed to bringing fans closer to Emirates Marketing Project, to the players and to the pitch.
"Whether that's through digital innovation, community work, international tours, or as in this case, physically allowing fans to be right next to the action, it is our top priority. We are already looking forward to seeing the expanded stadium in action for the 15/16 season."
City also have planning permission for a third expansion which would add 6,000 further seats if undertaken.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...stadium-expansion-as-etihad-set-to-hold-55000
More seats for the sheikh to buy phony season tickets for at inflated prices.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I was just about to ask why they would bother with adding more empty seats to the stadium but I think you've might be right about the reason.
I don't understand the love on here for the redeveloped Marseille stadium.
As a concept, the roof design looked fine.
But in reality, it looks awful. Far too much steelwork on show. It's a mess. Poor quality materials haven't helped either. It just looks cheap.
I don't like the fact that the roof is so high above the pitch either. Will not help acoustics at all.
As a concept, the roof design looked fine.
But in reality, it looks awful. Far too much steelwork on show. It's a mess. Poor quality materials haven't helped either. It just looks cheap.
I don't like the fact that the roof is so high above the pitch either. Will not help acoustics at all.
SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
Anfield' new stand should be up and running in time for the 2016/17 season
Liverpool FC chooses Carillion for £75m Anfield makeover - Telegraph
Agreed, it resembles a temporary structure like the Olympic Stadium.
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Liverpool FC chooses Carillion for £75m Anfield makeover - Telegraph
Agreed, it resembles a temporary structure like the Olympic Stadium.
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