Politics, politics, politics

[Gutter Boy]

How can any meritocracy that takes itself seriously have an un democratic upper house? Seriously, almost as embarrassing as having a ninety year old German as head of state.

The life peers (i.e. the last few PMs' chums) are a bit of a joke, but the fact that there are still 92 hereditary peers is absolutely inexcusable. It should be illegal under the Equalities Act for starters, as they pass by primogeniture, which even the crown no longer does.

 

[StephenH]

Is this an episode of the Apprentice? What a shambles.

Theresa May has divided her top team of ministers into two working groups to hammer out their differences on Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44077847

The guys at the sharp end in Dover are bricking it. They think it will be turn the M20 into lorry park 24/7.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

The guys at the sharp end in Dover are bricking it. They think it will be turn the M20 into lorry park 24/7.

Like it was on Monday!?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Like it was on Monday!?

Likewise. I did about 4 hours on the M2

 

[DTA]

Like it was on Monday!?

It can be worse... that applies to pretty much everything post Brexit.

 

[Rorschach]

I love the Eurovision. fudging mental show.

 

[Baleforce]

I love the Eurovision. fudging mental show.

Surely the rest of Europe will make sure we win so we have to host the next one?

 

[Gutter Boy]

I love the Eurovision. fudging mental show.

Eurotrash was better. I'd actually vote to rejoin the EU if it was more Eurotrash and less Galactic Empire.

 

[Rorschach]

Eurotrash was better. I'd actually vote to rejoin the EU if it was more Eurotrash and less Galactic Empire.

No it wasn't. That was complete brick.

I've decided I'm going to the Eurovision. It is now on my bucket list.

 

[Seedy Ron]

Surely the rest of Europe will make sure we win so we have to host the next one?

If they'd let us win once in a while, at least try and hide the fact they hate us, we'd not have had Brexit

Israel next year, so @Rorschach can combine his list item, and the bucket probably.

 

[milo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/996382410509094912

 

[the dza]

https://twitter.com/x/status/996382410509094912

Not to worry, if we can rely on anyone to protect the NHS from money grubbing tw@ts like Trump, it will be a Tory government.

Thank GHod for the "special relationship."

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

This is neo liberalism at work. The RWNJ'S believe that public medicine is a form of subsidy to British workers and is inconsistent with their concept of 'free trade.'

 

[Gutter Boy]

This is neo liberalism at work. The RWNJ'S believe that public medicine is a form of subsidy to British workers and is inconsistent with their concept of 'free trade.'

Big pharmas are about the biggest villains that exist in the world - as bad as arms dealers and bankers.

A morally repugnant cartel that suppresses more-effective but less-profitable treatments and uses unnecessary patents to kill millions

Hopefully out of the clutches of the EU's competition and state aid laws, we'll be able to adopt an independent, evidence-led approach to drug procurement and prescription

 

[milo]

That's a relief, I was beginning to fear that we'd go a year without a national vote

https://twitter.com/x/status/998097421010984960

 

[Baleforce]

I wonder if they are throwing it, trust that Corbyn has enough support to keep the leadership, he’ll drive the brexit shambles bus over the cliff anyway, they can then blame the inevitable economic meltdown on labour, “them foreigns that are still here and the bloody remainers who refuse to shoot rainbows out of their butts”.

 

[the dza]

All the talk of the Irish border/customs union. If the EU has free movement of people and there is no hard border between Northern Ireland and The Republic (which is what everyone says they want) and there is no hard border down the Irish Sea (as The DUP -- who keep The Tories in power -- insist can't happen), then how will movement of people work between Britain and Ireland?

 

[r-u-s-x]

All the talk of the Irish border/customs union. If the EU has free movement of people and there is no hard border between Northern Ireland and The Republic (which is what everyone says they want) and there is no hard border down the Irish Sea (as The DUP -- who keep The Tories in power -- insist can't happen), then how will movement of people work between Britain and Ireland?

It wont but then again I am not sure that a lot of those funding Brexit actually care about immigration but do care about giving benefits / rights to their workers.

 

[Baleforce]

All the talk of the Irish border/customs union. If the EU has free movement of people and there is no hard border between Northern Ireland and The Republic (which is what everyone says they want) and there is no hard border down the Irish Sea (as The DUP -- who keep The Tories in power -- insist can't happen), then how will movement of people work between Britain and Ireland?

the long and the short is, we have to have free movement too

 

[the dza]

the long and the short is, we have to have free movement too

Which is the crux of Brexit. People can talk about sovereignty and all the rest of it, but immigration is the issue that swung the vote to leave.

So the hardcore Brexiters like Mogg, Gove, Johnson etc. must know that there has to be a hard border in Ireland to police the movement of people. It's either that or stay in the single market, surely there is no other solution? A soft border won't stop people crossing, so if free movement ends, there has to be a hard border somewhere, surely?

We're gonna end up with Norway plus customs union (they might give this arrangement a different name) or hard brexit, there's no middle ground if free movement is to end. Personally, whilst I think there are issues with free movement, I don't think ending it is worth the aggravation. Labour will slowly drift to the former arrangement imo.