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Paul Mitchell - Head of Recruitment and Analysis

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by LutonSpurs, 26 Nov 2014.

  1. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Vedran Corluka

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    Additionally if he wasn't able to remember in his head a reasonably sized list of most of the good players he'd identified along with their best attributes then I don't think I want somebody with such limited brain power at our club.... Of course it's also pretty likely that he managed to hit the 'print' button a few times towards the end of his tenure there and take some work home with him.
     
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    milo Teddy Sheringham Staff Member

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    I think that it is fanciful to suggest that Mitchell does any coding. The application will be bought in from one of the big performance analysis companies.
     
  3. metalgear

    metalgear Paul Robinson

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    it wasn't just the software, he had like 5 -6 guys in a room who viewed videoclips all day long noting down stuff...this is the part that codes can't do yet, and won't be too difficult for mitchell to reassemble. i am not sure what the program does but surely its statistics and modelling, not quantum theory!
     
  4. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    I think they buy the data, which probably has some analysis tools (sabermetrics/the stuff like the Comolli video).

    But Mitchells' particular talent is supposed to be writing algorithms to use that data to predict future trends/trajectories. The Billy Beane stuff
     
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    Finney Is Back Vedran Corluka

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    I'm not disputing this fact (as I have no idea myself) but where did you get this from?

    Didn't you make an assumption before that the 'black box' was some sort of algorithm processor when in actual fact it was just the name of the video analysis room at Southampton?
     
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    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    There was a 30 odd minute Southampton video going around about him and what he does (I can't find it now, perhaps Soton deleted it, but others here will have watched it). The black box is both an algorithim and the physical room where the computers are set up.

    Also his background isn't in 'sheepskin coat' scouting - he's always been a data analyst.

    Use of big data is a major growth area in football (and every walk of life) and bringing in Mitchells was an attempt to try and catch-up on that (to complement Levy using his favourite agent and Baldini having a traditional eye for talent)
     
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    Rorschach Willie Hall

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    I'm not suggesting he wrote it but assuming there is some custom code written that does analysis then that is as easy to swipe as copy and paste. Having not seen anything at all I dare say he has something that parses the raw data, from what ever source, to his own slant. His skill is probably in the interpretation of the results.
     
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    Bullet Jimmy McCormick

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    It's worth watching this video again to remind us of the 5 teenagers doing the video editing / analysis and a look at the Black Box room
     
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    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    Five more or less unpaid teenagers no doubt, potentially making millions for the club.
     
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    why hasnt Levy signed them up?
     
  11. Jordinho

    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    I think Chelsea is the only club to have committed to paying everyone minimum wage, so we probably have our fair share already.
     
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    monkeybarry Michael Carrick

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    This is also football we are talking about.
    If fraud, theft and underhandedness equaled jail, most of us would get a game
    Most clubs do it I'm sure, and know they all need to tolerate it to a certain extent as they are all in it together.

    SCBC will still have the data, just depends if it now fits what Koeman wants and then you have agree a deal to sign a player and then hope he actually performs. We are talking humans after all.

    Some data sets and algorithms are a useful tool, but performance data does not equal success, only sound decision making and execution does
     
  13. milo

    milo Teddy Sheringham Staff Member

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    I am sure that he is proficient in using the tools and may have some novel ideas on how to manipulate the data but he is almost certainly not doing any development. No big company would leave that to one man or else you would be left with a Turkey when they upped and left.
     
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    P.D. Mauricio Taricco

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    Plus it's not like you build the tool then just let it run, will need constant refining and updating to reflect new data sets and other stats etc that become important depending on the requirements of the squad etc
     
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    galeforce Teddy Sheringham

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    it's not corporate theft if it's on your head, the code itself can be reproduced, the smart bit was him working out what to do with the data
     
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    milo Teddy Sheringham Staff Member

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    I've watched the film a few times now and I cannot find the bit where he talks about him writing the algorithms.
     
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    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    GB and this Algorithym nonsense.

    The Black Box is the fudging name of a room with an interactive TV screen they use to present their findings to the powers that be - pull up tables and charts and link to video clips and so on, it's a glorified fudging presentation room - not footballs answer to HAL for Christ sakes
     
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    milo Teddy Sheringham Staff Member

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    I think that we need to move the last page or so to classics because it will be bought up again in a few months
     
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    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    We could fill a whole thread with debunked myths.
     
  20. milo

    milo Teddy Sheringham Staff Member

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    I think that we should. I could save a lot of time with subjects that come up a lot
     

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