Match ratings - Burnley

[Jurgen the German]

You have to add some context into your assessment. It's his first season, several young players from the academy, other young players like Dier playing regularly only 1 useful striker. He has got us to a cup final and we are currently 6th with everyone around us including southampton having spent more in the summer. Also We don't crud ourselves every time we face a top 4 side. I would say that is more than par? I think Spurs fans need to be a bit more realistic personally.

I'm realistic and willing to give him time, but I would say he's done some very good work and some not so good work.

Ultimately I look at the league position, we are about where we should be.

 

[braineclipse]

I'm realistic and willing to give him time, but I would say he's done some very good work and some not so good work.

Ultimately I look at the league position, we are about where we should be.

About where we expect to be in the league whilst overseeing the changes that have made us 'the youngest team in Europe' (tm). Certainly sets us up for a lot of potential improvement over the coming seasons.

 

[DublinSpur]

I'm realistic and willing to give him time, but I would say he's done some very good work and some not so good work.

Ultimately I look at the league position, we are about where we should be.

I actually think that's underselling things a little bit. But that's just my view. If we'd finished 9th or 10th this season I wouldn't have seen it as the end of the world (though this place would have gone into complete meltdown! ). I think the whole Redknapp > AVB > Sherwood transition was very damaging to the club behind the scenes. We can all pick our heroes and villains out of what happened, but when Pochettino came in, I think he had a much tougher job than is often acknowledged. There appears to have been quite significant unrest between cliques of players - bad enough to have ended up with the virtual exile of the club captain and vice-captain... on top of all manner of distracting shenanigans in the boardroom, newspapers and courts... and of course the usual pressures and media scrutiny of taking over Tottenham Hotspur.

All of that stuff, along with a squad that is very young and still clearly "in development", means I think Poch has done a great job to keep us where we are. Has he been 100% error-free? Of course not. Is there room for improvement? Goes without saying. But the signs are very positive for next year in my view.

 

[parklane1]

This is just a continuation of our previous disagreement on the importance of formations.

You believe that unless a manager sets a team up in a formation that most fans can easily recognize a mistake has been made?

As said in another thread there is too much strength ( by some) into formations and they can get in the way of reality.

 

[Pirate55]

This is just a continuation of our previous disagreement on the importance of formations.

You believe that unless a manager sets a team up in a formation that most fans can easily recognize a mistake has been made?

Formations in and of themselves are not necessarily the most important thing. However the way Poch has stuck to 4231 with almost religious zeal has imo made us one dimensional, predictable and relatively easy to play against. It seems to me that in this rigid formation we are not getting the best out of some players, especially those with natural flair.

When things aren't working in 4231, I would prefer to see other tactics used - to give some examples - deploying just one specialist DM to cover the back four, switching wingers to their natural sides, and bringing in another striker to assist Kane. I would like to see other options tried in some games, not just more of the same.

 

[braineclipse]

Formations in and of themselves are not necessarily the most important thing. However the way Poch has stuck to 4231 with almost religious zeal has imo made us one dimensional, predictable and relatively easy to play against. It seems to me that in this rigid formation we are not getting the best out of some players, especially those with natural flair.

When things aren't working in 4231, I would prefer to see other tactics used - to give some examples - deploying just one specialist DM to cover the back four, switching wingers to their natural sides, and bringing in another striker to assist Kane. I would like to see other options tried in some games, not just more of the same.

Ignore my question. Get a dig in at Pochettino at the same time. Use tactics and formation interchangeably, despite knowing that our conversation and previous disagreement has been on the importance of formations and that I've argued that we have used different tactics.

We really are going around in circles...

 

[Pirate55]

Ignore my question. Get a dig in at Pochettino at the same time. Use tactics and formation interchangeably, despite knowing that our conversation and previous disagreement has been on the importance of formations and that I've argued that we have used different tactics.

We really are going around in circles...

Your question was so opaque that it really didn't deserve an answer. How can I or anyone else know what other fans can or can't recognise?

Anyway, I agree we are going round in circles. I think we are too regimented in 4231, you don't. Fair enough. Let's see how next season pans out. I am reserving judgement on Poch till then.