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Harry Kane MBE

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by thfcsteff, 29 Jan 2013.

  1. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Chris Jones Staff Member

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    We have been here before regarding other players. I think it's best we move on. Nothing good will come of this continued back and forth IMO.
     
  2. Benny_Lad

    Benny_Lad Anthony Gardner

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    See my post on this thread Sunday night.

    Previously I wouldn’t have minded either (as lots of others do it). Refs however seem to be anti pens at the minute, so I’d immediately focus on trying to score from open play.

    + It will only take one or two examples of going above and beyond to stay on your feet and the vibe could move back your way quite quickly.

    Just touching on the refs again for a minute, you will notice no yellow card for Kane against Arse or Newc and no yellow card for Dilva against Bournemouth. Maybe refs are deciding they don’t have to make a decision as VAR should step in if they’ve made a howler, even though the so called bar is very high for clear and obvious.
     
  3. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Colin Calderwood

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    The latter part is right for sure
    Their waiting on VAR and they won’t over turn a ref so their all washing their hands with it
     
  4. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Colin Calderwood

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    Yes he did lay his hands on him but not enough to force Kane to go to ground the way he did. Sanchez regularly shoves people but not every shove is a foul.

    I appreciate some dives will split opinion but you seem to be suggesting that Kane doesn’t ever dive? Sorry but there have definitely been times when he has dragged his leg against an opponent and manufacture
     
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  5. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Colin Calderwood

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    Sanchez gets dug out for those challenges as they nearly always result in fouls

    You can’t push players ... it’s a foul if you do. You can’t even do that in Rugby
     
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  6. fernadez

    fernadez Ilie Dumitrescu

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    Was saying before that Bielsa who is Poch's guru hasn't won anything in years. His teams are notorious for getting close and then burning out, as happened again with Leeds last season.
     
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  7. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Milija Aleksic

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  8. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Dimitar Berbatov

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    I think its a lot of noise that tries to come to a point but cant.

    If the simple truth is that things are quite compromised right now and we are simply making the best of a bad situation, as opposed to our current team set up(s) being some sort of over arching strategy, then there isnt a story.

    And yet somehow that writer managed to conjure 1,500 words out of it....
     
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  9. Mosquito_Coasting

    Mosquito_Coasting Pascal Chimbonda

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    He does dive but so does every other attacker in the league.
     
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  10. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Colin Calderwood

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    Read this yesterday
    For me it shows a lack of awareness in the press of tactics and systems and Kane is clearly adapting his game to accommodate the other players around him as much as anything else

    The Kane their comparing too wasn’t playing with son. He was playing with dele.

    Playing with son you would be mad not to make yourself a target for the defender and free up space for him.

    However against lesser sides who sit deep you may need a different tactic and that’s when we will see Kane play more in the face of defenders
     
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  11. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment Terry Venables

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    Blimey you do have it in for Kane don't you.

    Having watched Kane as much as anyone I am struggling to think of a previous occasion when he has been found guilty by common consent of a clear dive in the box.

    The problem of course is that a lot of the time opinions on diving are highly subjective. No doubt there's been the odd occasion when he has been accused of diving, but that does not necessarily mean that is what actually happened.

    So I'd say the onus is upon you to come up with chapter and verse. When and where did he dive and can you provide a video link to prove it?

    Otherwise as far as I am concerned it simply did not happen.
     
  12. harr1984

    harr1984 Pat van den Hauwe

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    Kane has developed a reputation for diving, whether you think its right or wrong is up to you. I know fans of several other teams who comment on this, even Greg did on here the other day and have seen it mentioned on various other websites. He's been booked at least twice for diving too.

     
  13. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Colin Calderwood

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    You realise that’s a sarcastic video don’t you?
     
  14. harr1984

    harr1984 Pat van den Hauwe

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    You dont think any of those are dives?:D

    Anyway I dont care that he does, practically all top players do it. What is ridiculous is people on here calling out the likes of Ham Salad for doing it as a cheat, then defending Kane as if he doesnt do the same. The rose tinted glasses on this forum can be quite spectacular at times.....
     
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    parklane1 Chris Jones

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    Do not disagree with that at all, but fans of all teams think their players do not dive. ( they do of course).
     
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  16. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Chris Jones Staff Member

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    But this is EXACTLY the sort of new era social
    media garbage which becomes “the” narrative by proxy. A few people decide to spuriously accuse someone of something, some ithers make a meme, then some cobbled together video and suddenly we have a “reputation”
    manufactured by a few numpties and based on an intent to create disproportionate false narratives. Frankly, if the way Kane plays as a striker makes him a “diver” and a “cheat” then we need to prep cute video montages for every striker in the league.

    I never like agreeing with a “common view” just because it is common.
    As of yet, I have seen people either ignore Sokratis shoving Kane with two hands, or in Jurgen’s case, attempt to definitively gauge the amount of strength in the shove versus speed of motion and size of Kane (something which I -as someone who still plays- find ludicrous).

    It is a manufactured situation. And fan forums as centres of expertise on such matters? Come on!
     
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  17. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Chris Jones Staff Member

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    And here we are!

    I have consistently said that IF you make undue physical contact with an attacking player in the box, you are giving the ref a decision to make.

    Diving, for me, is going over without contact. Throwing yourself to the floor.
    Like it or not, putting yourself between the defender and the ball is NOT “diving”...it is initiating, or inviting, contact. IF a defender is clumsy and stupid enough to then put two hands on the player and push them, that player is forcing the ref to make a decision. Kane has not gone over with no contact. There is most certainly contact (I have not even looked below the waist because Sokratis has put hands on him).

    Again, there WAS a decision to make, it was made and that is that. Kane was not booked for “diving” because there was contact but Atkinson chose to bottle it and see it as six of one, etc. Fine. His decision. Yet here we are, still discussing this spun narrative of Kane being a “diver”...
     
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    Bedfordspurs Colin Calderwood

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    Did anyone see the rangers Celtic game ?
    Their were two dives in that
    No contact, just tumbles
    Dele did one on Sunday
     
  19. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Chris Jones Staff Member

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    Which Dele one mate? I remember the Ceballos incident but not another? I do remember Aubamayang hitting the deck!
     
  20. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Colin Calderwood

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    The one well before that
    The ref played on
    He is some kind of roll over the cave man can’t back form memory
    Was around 75 mins
     

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