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American politics

galeforce said:
got a taxi home last night (to check the railways hadn't monopolised my commute whilst i wasn't looking), my cab driver was extolling the virtues of some of trumps ideas on immigration and the idea of cosying up to putin

even here the message of fear overrides common sense
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It might be why he is just a cab driver............................
 
My theory is, regardless of whether this dossier on Trump is true or not, the reason it has been released is not to impeach and get rid of Trump; it's to make him want to appear more hawkish towards Russia and therefore, not compromise NATO. I think the integrity of NATO is the main concern of the intelligence community re. Trump's presidency. IMO, the thinking is that Trump's ego won't allow him to appear as Putin's b1tch, so that's what this is really all about.
 
the dza said:
Corbyn is a bit like Trump re. NATO, he's not enamoured with it. On that basis, Russia would prefer him. It's an area where I disagree with Corbyn, but I don't think he would actually take us out of NATO, only try to make NATO less confrontational with Russia. I don't think Russia would particularly look to influence our elections though, they'd struggle to compete with Murdoch in that regard.

The vote that Russia would be concerned with with regards the UK has already happened (EU Ref). They will be delighted that we have left the EU, anything that weakens the EU is strategically good for them. I bet Putin loves Farage, a useful idiot if ever there was one.

For me, NATO troops can move around NATO countries and if Russia don't like it, tough sh1t. I don't dislike Russia as such (I dislike Putin though).
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Corbyn is anti-NATO entirely. He objected to Poland joining and said they should have had a security guarantee like the one Ukriane had with Russia, the US and the UK. He said this after Russian invaded Ukraine.

Corbyn hasn't really had a new thought since he was on the council at the Peoples Republic of Haringey, after dropping out of his union studies course at North London Poly. He struggles with change and so far has managed to replace support for the IRA with support for Hamas and replace the Soviet Union with Putin's Russia. Presumably he still thinks Putin is a communist, rather than the ultra-corrupt capitalist he really is.
 
StephenH said:
It might be why he is just a cab driver............................
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And yet his vote counts just as much as yours.

Those who can't think rationally for themselves are those who are easily led, easy votes. That's how Ddonald won in the first place.
 
the dza said:
My theory is, regardless of whether this dossier on Trump is true or not, the reason it has been released is not to impeach and get rid of Trump; it's to make him want to appear more hawkish towards Russia and therefore, not compromise NATO. I think the integrity of NATO is the main concern of the intelligence community re. Trump's presidency. IMO, the thinking is that Trump's ego won't allow him to appear as Putin's b1tch, so that's what this is really all about.
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A fair theory imo
 
wiziwig said:
I explained, due to the move of the major parties to their centrist positions ( globalist ).

Anyone who disagreed with uncontrolled immigration is racist.

Over 30 million illegal immigrants in the USA, some of them probably voting...California will never be Republican again ...

Some of them on the recent anti Trump demos, chanting "fudge Donald Trump - Donald Trump not my president", whilst they wave the flag of Mexico and watch the burning of the US flag...
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jts1882 said:
Corbyn is anti-NATO entirely. He objected to Poland joining and said they should have had a security guarantee like the one Ukriane had with Russia, the US and the UK. He said this after Russian invaded Ukraine.
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He is capable of compromise though, he isn't a dictator. This is why he would go along with trident renewal (but not press the button) and not withdraw from NATO (but push for NATO to be less aggressive in it's expansion eastwards). The same as he went along with the Labour Party position of remaining in Europe, despite being a lifelong Eurosceptic. Of course his heart wasn't in remaining, but he compromised with party policy.

NATO is bigger than Corbyn, Trump and Putin. Too many people in high places will (rightly) ensure its survival and it will endure.

As I said, the real useful idiots of Putin are on the right of politics at the moment. Trump, Farage and their merry men across Europe.
 
the dza said:
He is capable of compromise though, he isn't a dictator. This is why he would go along with trident renewal (but not press the button)
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Care to explain how a nuclear deterrent that you've admitted you won't use works?

Just another example of his student union politics that don't translate to the real world.
 
scaramanga said:
Care to explain how a nuclear deterrent that you've admitted you won't use works?

Just another example of his student union politics that don't translate to the real world.
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The same as it would work for the Dutch now. Or Canadians. Or Australians. Etc.

Real world indeed.
 
scaramanga said:
Does anyone consider them to have a nuclear deterrent?
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No. So...

...how do they survive in the real world?

I suppose, if we renew trident and it lasts a few decades, for the period of time we had a PM who openly admitted they wouldn't press the button, you'd have to hide out in a bunker. Or just do what the Aussies, Dutch, Canadians etc etc do and not exist in the real world.

Anyway, we should probably go back to talking about The Donald...
 
the dza said:
No. So...

...how do they survive in the real world?

I suppose, if we renew trident and it lasts a few decades, for the period of time we had a PM who openly admitted they wouldn't press the button, you'd have to hide out in a bunker. Or just do what the Aussies, Dutch, Canadians etc etc do and not exist in the real world.

Anyway, we should probably go back to talking about The Donald...
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So why pay for a deterrent that isn't a deterrent? That's the worst of both worlds.
 
scaramanga said:
So why pay for a deterrent that isn't a deterrent? That's the worst of both worlds.
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It's nice to see you have such faith in Jezza winning an election! In the event that he does, even if he enacts a socialist dictatorship, the trident upgrade would be operational until around 2060 iirc. Corbyn would need to live (and lead) until he was about 110 to ensure the button would not be pressed over the lifetime of the new trident system.

Now, I do believe Trident to be a waste of money, though I'm ambivalent about us renewing. As long as we remain in NATO, I don't think it's necessary. America has committed it's own nuclear weapons to the NATO alliance, so they therefore, as I understand it, defend all members with their weapons in the event of a nuclear strike -- France is in NATO but is not part of the Nuclear Planning Group within NATO so doesn't commit it's own nuclear weapons and even then, I can't imagine Paris wants nuclear weapons being dropped on London, it's a bit too close.

We'll renew Trident, remain in NATO and JC's reluctance to launch nukes after we're all burnt to a crisp will prove to be a non issue -- and that's if he even wins (which seems unlikely, but we have a few years of May opening her trap and being a phucking idiot, so you never know).

To bring the thread back on topic, perhaps Trump will start a nuclear war in the next couple of years and we won't have to worry about trident, brexit, by-elections or anything else...
 
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