Circus ManUnitus - Erik's At The Wheel

[Grays_1890]

Where I stuggle with it is that the Bosman was introduced so players were not tied to club they were unhappy at, its now being abused so players can get more money above the standard.

If a player is a free transfer e is a free transfer it means the playing club don't have to pay a fee, it does not mean the player should then receive the money the club would have had to pay for them. It was not set up for that.

It is absolutely insane it really

 

[the dza]

Where I stuggle with it is that the Bosman was introduced so players were not tied to club they were unhappy at, its now being abused so players can get more money above the standard.

If a player is a free transfer e is a free transfer it means the playing club don't have to pay a fee, it does not mean the player should then receive the money the club would have had to pay for them. It was not set up for that.

It is absolutely insane it really

Not much that can be done unless some kind of salary cap is introduced. I wouldn't mind seeing a cap for the squad overall, so the top players will still get top money, but clubs like Emirates Marketing Project won't be able to pay people silly money to sit on the bench.

 

[Grays_1890]

Not much that can be done unless some kind of salary cap is introduced. I wouldn't mind seeing a cap for the squad overall, so the top players will still get top money, but clubs like Emirates Marketing Project won't be able to pay people silly money to sit on the bench.

Of course the horse is bolting.

Man Uniteds average wage is 100k so he is getting 3 times a clubs average wage, its insane and is abusing a system that was set up for the good of the game.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Certainly a far cry from the days when ManU were a struggling Second Division club that needed a £2,000 loan from a local businessman to save them from bankruptcy...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-hero-saved-academy-11388316

United were on the verge of going bankrupt when Gibson came to their rescue in December 1931.

The Reds were struggling in the old Second Division, after being relegated the previous season, and the 1-0 home defeat by Bristol City a week before Christmas had been watched by fewer than 5,000 fans.

With United’s board unable to pay the players’ wages, Gibson gifted the club £2,000 to cover costs. And there was enough left over to buy every member of staff a Yuletide turkey.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...n-utd-continue-to-grow-james-w-gibsons-legac/

Being mischievous, you might say that Gibson did for United in the 20th century what Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan has done for City in the 21st.

Gibson took control of United at a time when City were Manchester’s stronger club, with the modest ambition that, in his own words, “There is sufficient room in Manchester for two good football clubs”.

 

[Baleforce]

the money is there, the more of it that goes to the players the better imo

 

[Grays_1890]

the money is there, the more of it that goes to the players the better imo

In what way?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

the money is there, the more of it that goes to the players the better imo

The more it should be used to subsidise fan costs the better imo

 

[Grays_1890]

The more it should be used to subsidise fan costs the better imo

Remember reading about it before where an old owner was saying that the more money made should be used more wisely than to just line players pockets. Ticket costs is actually a small part of income but a major outlay for fans, clubs could easily price freeze tickets for a while which would only skim a little of the wage bill and it would not harm the status of the game as we know it now.

Footballs a strange beast where clubs have a purple patch of income and they just get rid of it as quickly as they can on wages, I cant understand it to some extent

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Remember reading about it before where an old owner was saying that the more money made should be used more wisely than to just line players pockets. Ticket costs is actually a small part of income but a major outlay for fans, clubs could easily price freeze tickets for a while which would only skim a little of the wage bill and it would not harm the status of the game as we know it now.

Footballs a strange beast where clubs have a purple patch of income and they just get rid of it as quickly as they can on wages, I cant understand it to some extent

Well most are run as okay things rather than businesses now

 

[Baleforce]

The more it should be used to subsidise fan costs the better imo

I’ve not seen any other business adopt that strategy, I wish Aston Martin would

 

[Baleforce]

In what way?

sponsorship and tv revenue continues to increase, is there another group of club employees it should go to?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I’ve not seen any other business adopt that strategy, I wish Aston Martin would

No other entertainment business needs the audience like Football

 

[Baleforce]

No other entertainment business needs the audience like Football

I completely agree, but the audience that the money comes from is sat in front of a tv not in the stadiums

 

[Grays_1890]

sponsorship and tv revenue continues to increase, is there another group of club employees it should go to?

Well who says anyone should get it? many clubs don't improve their facilities, West Ham spent years of poor ownership to a point they don't know even own their own ground, several others have dreadful facilities and don't have the money in the bank to improve. Many clubs don't have any money in the bank once everything is paid out.

And as per a previous post the costs of watching the game spirals out of control. Sanchez paid 200k a year still becomes a rich man where as the costs of going hit people hard.

I don't get the obsession in just spending the money for the sake of spending it.

 

[Baleforce]

Well who says anyone should get it? many clubs don't improve their facilities, West Ham spent years of poor ownership to a point they don't know even own their own ground, several others have dreadful facilities and don't have the money in the bank to improve. Many clubs don't have any money in the bank once everything is paid out.

And as per a previous post the costs of watching the game spirals out of control. Sanchez paid 200k a year still becomes a rich man where as the costs of going hit people hard.

I don't get the obsession in just spending the money for the sake of spending it.

businesses run poorly will fail

people who can no longer afford to go to games will stop buying tickets, when clubs are impacted by this they will reduce prices

 

[Grays_1890]

businesses run poorly will fail

people who can no longer afford to go to games will stop buying tickets, when clubs are impacted by this they will reduce prices

And a huge part of the business being run poorly is obsession of paying wages. Clubs are not run poorly because they decided to give the char lady 75k a week or the club has a golden bog.

We won't agree on it and thats fine we just have a difference of opinion on where the money should go.

 

[Baleforce]

And a huge part of the business being run poorly is obsession of paying wages. Clubs are not run poorly because they decided to give the char lady 75k a week or the club has a golden bog.

We won't agree on it and thats fine we just have a difference of opinion on where the money should go.

yep

for this case in isolation, the argument can easily be made that United can afford it

 

[Grays_1890]

yep

for this case in isolation, the argument can easily be made that United can afford it

Of course they can, but the strategy of paying it just because you can afford it does not sit well for me. Esp when your sat on over 500m of debt

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I completely agree, but the audience that the money comes from is sat in front of a tv not in the stadiums

Exactly but it wouldnt be half the entertainment without the crowd there

People would switch off and it would be awful

 

[Baleforce]

Exactly but it wouldnt be half the entertainment without the crowd there

People would switch off and it would be awful

I don’t think it would make a noticeable difference myself, they would just pipe in canned fan noise like arsenal used to do