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Sonny Walters
If we lose to Westham we should be flogged. Hung drawn and quartered. And then some more flogging.
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markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Sheer incompetence !!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45439883
West Ham's rent at their London Stadium "does not even cover cost of staging matches", the ground's owners say.
Lyn Garner, London Legacy Development Corporation chief executive, also said "high operating costs" and "a lack of commercialisation" meant they were facing "losses for the next 97 years".
West Ham have paid an annual rent of £2.5m since moving in in August 2016.
The stadium, built for the London Olympics in 2012, has been dogged by controversy over its finances.
In July, it was revealed £450,000 of taxpayers' money had been spent on unsuccessfully searching for a sponsor for the venue, which cost £323m to convert into a football ground after an original estimate of £190m.
It was planned that any sponsorship would offset some of the £140m losses expected over the next 10 years.
"To be honest, what is really driving the problems here are the low rents paid by the concessionaires, particularly West Ham," Garner told a London Assembly meeting.
"The elephant in the room is the fee that they pay us in a usage cost does not cover the event-day costs, and that's before we go anywhere near a commercial advantage. It simply does not cover the costs of running the events on a day-to-day basis.
"The stadium is a centrepiece of the legacy of the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park. It's really important that we tackle the public subsidy issue over the next few years. There is much to do and many reasons for it."
The verdict on West Ham’s stadium move
'300k is a drop in the ocean'
Garner also said the group had decided to reject West Ham's offer to pay £300,000 to change the colour of the running track around the ground, from green to claret.
She said it was rejected for a variety of reasons, including the fact "it could affect potential naming rights" deals, adding that they were in discussions over charging an annual commercial fee of "around £300,000" instead.
"The usage fee is extremely low," she added. "We could take the £300k. It's a drop in the ocean for the size of the losses we are dealing with and will be dealing with for the next 97 years of this contract.
"But it's not unreasonable to ask the club to pay something extra for something they are getting back which is extra."
Meanwhile LLDC chairman Sir Peter Hendy told assembly members that it was wrong to suggest the stadium was not suitable for football - one of the reasons that has been put forward by some looking to explain the club's recent on-pitch struggles as they sit bottom of the Premier League.
He cited recent quotes from manager Manuel Pellegrini in which he said: "The pitch has the same measurements. The grass is in very good shape. The atmosphere with 55,000 people is great. The stadium is not an excuse."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45439883
West Ham's rent at their London Stadium "does not even cover cost of staging matches", the ground's owners say.
Lyn Garner, London Legacy Development Corporation chief executive, also said "high operating costs" and "a lack of commercialisation" meant they were facing "losses for the next 97 years".
West Ham have paid an annual rent of £2.5m since moving in in August 2016.
The stadium, built for the London Olympics in 2012, has been dogged by controversy over its finances.
In July, it was revealed £450,000 of taxpayers' money had been spent on unsuccessfully searching for a sponsor for the venue, which cost £323m to convert into a football ground after an original estimate of £190m.
It was planned that any sponsorship would offset some of the £140m losses expected over the next 10 years.
"To be honest, what is really driving the problems here are the low rents paid by the concessionaires, particularly West Ham," Garner told a London Assembly meeting.
"The elephant in the room is the fee that they pay us in a usage cost does not cover the event-day costs, and that's before we go anywhere near a commercial advantage. It simply does not cover the costs of running the events on a day-to-day basis.
"The stadium is a centrepiece of the legacy of the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park. It's really important that we tackle the public subsidy issue over the next few years. There is much to do and many reasons for it."
The verdict on West Ham’s stadium move
'300k is a drop in the ocean'
Garner also said the group had decided to reject West Ham's offer to pay £300,000 to change the colour of the running track around the ground, from green to claret.
She said it was rejected for a variety of reasons, including the fact "it could affect potential naming rights" deals, adding that they were in discussions over charging an annual commercial fee of "around £300,000" instead.
"The usage fee is extremely low," she added. "We could take the £300k. It's a drop in the ocean for the size of the losses we are dealing with and will be dealing with for the next 97 years of this contract.
"But it's not unreasonable to ask the club to pay something extra for something they are getting back which is extra."
Meanwhile LLDC chairman Sir Peter Hendy told assembly members that it was wrong to suggest the stadium was not suitable for football - one of the reasons that has been put forward by some looking to explain the club's recent on-pitch struggles as they sit bottom of the Premier League.
He cited recent quotes from manager Manuel Pellegrini in which he said: "The pitch has the same measurements. The grass is in very good shape. The atmosphere with 55,000 people is great. The stadium is not an excuse."
Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
Sir Peter Hendy doesn't strike me as someone who sits in the cheap seats watching football.
With all the money in the game, and the money they got for Upton Park, plus the fact they got given that stadium, how the flying fudge are they not paying their way?
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
It’s all gearing up to selling the stadium. Paint the current situation as a bad deal for the taxpayer and eventually people will be happy to get rid of the burden.
This is all Boris, many fudge ups to get to that point but managed to be convinced that they were hiring it for 20 odd (match days only days rather than the 9 months. That and the agreement to carry the costs of conversion and belive that one company could do it at a fraction of the cost everyone else quoted.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Make note, because I doubt you'll ever see me say it again - but on the WHAM side of things, someone was VERY competent.
Laughing all the way to the bank, from their POV its a stupendous deal, quite incredible.
What the other side were thinking? Well its so incompetent the only think that makes sense is pay offs. Which also seems like a WHAM thing to do as well.
Given the rental agreement they have, why would West Ham buy the stadium?
Yep - WH will come out of this with a cut price stadium.
@nayimfromthehalfwayline - they'll be able to better monetise it with full ownership presumably
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Given that it costs them peanuts to have now, would it?
They would take on the burden of a mortgage and all the running costs. Yes, they could make better commercial income (I assume) but would it be worth it?
I dont know the answer, but I suspect it might now be as obvious as it seems.
The Porn dwarves have got away with daylight robbery, and are currently laughing all the way to the bank.
Buying that stadium brings with it a whole lot of expense, and problems, they might not have the appetite for.
They would take on the burden of a mortgage and all the running costs. Yes, they could make better commercial income (I assume) but would it be worth it?
I dont know the answer, but I suspect it might now be as obvious as it seems.
The Porn dwarves have got away with daylight robbery, and are currently laughing all the way to the bank.
Buying that stadium brings with it a whole lot of expense, and problems, they might not have the appetite for.
If that happens, I can see Levy making a competitive bid to ensure the stadium is sold at a market rate.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
The market rate in this case is defined by what West Ham will pay. There's no-one else who particularly wants or needs a stadium in East London.
With West ham as sitting tennents? They have a lease without a break clause.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Id love Levy to buy it, just to be the landlord from hell!
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
And the current landlord has far more leverage than a private one would, because they have ultimate control over policing and licensing.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Luka Modric
Not doing to well at it though are they?
Not that Levy would be interested, of course. Though I think he would be interested in a bid as Scara says, to push the price up.
They are going to court every other week won't put up their boards, not letting them use the claret carpet without paying 300k a year. Doing all they can now, the West ham board have tinkled them off
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
[QUOTE="nayimfromthehalfwayline, post: 1093172, member: 104"
Given the rental agreement they have, why would West Ham buy the stadium?[/QUOTE]
Assuming they want out at some point, owning their stadium might make it easier to find a buyer I guess.
Although it will always be a rubbish venue for football.
Given the rental agreement they have, why would West Ham buy the stadium?[/QUOTE]
Assuming they want out at some point, owning their stadium might make it easier to find a buyer I guess.
Although it will always be a rubbish venue for football.
Robspur12
John Lacy
Very competent or as bent as a nine bob note. I know which one my money is on.
Bullet
Luka Modric
Who said anything about keeping it is a stadium? It was always a temporary structure.
Levy would demolish it and turn it into shops, houses, restaurants, or one giant Mr Byrite.
I'd imagine the land alone is worth more than the caravan dwellers are likely to pay.