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Danishfurniturelover said:
So my final decision on who to vote for and despite some strong misgivings about the guy I'm going for Corbyn.

Might fcuk the country up or not I'm really not sure, but the maverick in me wants to see big change.

Also have hope that he will be a thorn in the EUs side. I see he is almost conceding on freedom of movement but as that was never the main cause of my hatred of the EU I will let that one slide.
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Ask Icelandic and Scandavian people whether borrowing for socialist ambitions at a time of economic uncertainty was worth paying for the price of... well, the fastest recovery in Europe and a substantial increase in earnings.

The media has given him a rough deal because the elite who own them are the only ones who stand to lose anything.

The biggest piece of verifiable dirt they have on him is that he makes marmalade and jam in his allotment for crying out loud.
 
Craig_J said:
Ask Icelandic and Scandavian people whether borrowing for socialist ambitions at a time of economic uncertainty was worth paying for the price of... well, the fastest recovery in Europe and a substantial increase in earnings.

The media has given him a rough deal because the elite who own them are the only ones who stand to lose anything.

The biggest piece of verifiable dirt they have on him is that he makes marmalade and jam in his allotment for crying out loud.
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That and all those lovely, free, natural resources, low net migration and tiny little populations.

Scale it up, take out the natural resources and it goes to brick - see France for more detail.
 
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...s-jeremy-corbyn-says-prove-nhs-sale-resemble/

Labour told to 'come clean' about how it obtained leaked government documents after report links them to Russia

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn would not disclose the source of the leaked UK-US trade talks documents CREDIT: DOMINIC LIPINSKI/PA WIRE
2 DECEMBER 2019 • 10:01PM

Labour has been told to “come clean” over whether it has helped to spread Russian “disinformation” during the general election campaign.

Jeremy Corbyn last week published a leaked dossier of classified information which he used to attack the Conservatives over the NHS, but refused to say how he got it.

On Monday night, independent researchers said the documents carried “the spectre of foreign influence” as they had been published online using methods that directly mirror an earlier Russian disinformation campaign.

Senior Conservative MPs on Monday night demanded that Mr Corbyn explain how he obtained the documents amid fears that Moscow is trying to influence the election campaign. Graphika, a social media analytics firm, worked with the Atlantic Council think tank to uncover evidence showing that the way the documents came into the public domain mirrored a disinformation campaign called Secondary Infektion, uncovered in June.

Secondary Infektion used fabricated or altered documents to try to spread false narratives online, and stemmed from a network of social media accounts that Facebook said “originated in Russia”. Ben Nimmo, head of investigations at Graphika, said: “It’s on the same set of websites [as Secondary Infektion], it’s using the same types of accounts and making the same language errors. It’s either the Russian operation or someone trying hard to look like it.”


The Graphika report, seen by The Telegraph, states that: “The similarities to Secondary Infektion are not enough to provide conclusive attribution but are too close to be simply a coincidence. They could indicate a return of the actors behind Secondary Infektion or a sophisticated attempt by unknown actors to mimic it.”


Labour on Monday night refused to say how it had obtained the documents, which originally surfaced on the online discussion site Reddit, and would say only that “releasing these documents was clearly in the public interest”.

Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, said: “If they are using disinformation to fabricate their NHS scare stories, which are anyway not true, that speaks volumes about them.

“If there is any truth in this report, then there are very serious questions that need to be answered by Jeremy Corbyn and his team.”

Tom Tugendhat, the chairman of the foreign affairs committee, said: “We know that foreign governments have tried to interfere in elections by leaking documents at moments that are convenient to them. Is this part of that pattern of behaviour?”

A Labour spokesman said of the documents: “Neither the UK nor the US government have denied their authenticity. Given what they reveal, it’s not surprising that there are attempts to muddy the waters to cover up what has been exposed.”


Mr Corbyn cited the documents in a letter to Donald Trump, quoting from them as he demanded the US president leaves the NHS out of any future trade talks with the UK.

Lisa-Maria Neudert, a researcher at Oxford University’s Project on Computational Propaganda, said that if Russia was behind the leak, its aim may not have been to help any particular side in the election. She said: “We know from the Russian playbook that often it is not for or against anything, it’s about sowing confusion, and destroying the field of political trust.”

A Reddit spokesman said: “The integrity of our site is of paramount importance and we are investigating these findings.”

Graham Brookie, director of the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, said: “Whoever did this ... was absolutely trying to keep it a secret. It carries the spectre of foreign influence.”
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Danishfurniturelover said:
Lucas and Jason Kitkat (real name) destroyed Brighton. I actually live outside in a different constituency but spend a lot of time there.

Funny thing as a kite surfer a few years ago and a love of the countryside I am a natural green supporter but this lot are to stupid to vote for. Can not stand them. Kitkat should have been investigated for his time in office. Dont know anyone over 30 from Brighton who does not hate him.
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Oh, I thought you were going to vote Labour...tee, hee.
 
scaramanga said:
Of course - I read the Telegraph specifically to get the balance to the BBC, which is my usual source.

Doesn't mean that what they say is untrue all the time.
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The BBC are dire! As is Sky........
The telegraph, mirror, mail and sun are banal.
I read the sports pages to get a flavour of what's occurring sport wise, I read/watch the BBC/Sky news similarly.
 
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