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the dza said:
I reckon May's deal will get soundly beaten tonight, but she will just go back again with it. She will try and scare Tory MPs into voting for it by running down the clock to no-deal. I don't think that will work either, but I think it's what she will try.
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Tonight's vote has always been about voicing grievances. The real meaningful one will be the next one where the concessions the EU have presumably been holding back will come into play
 
Rorschach said:
I'm not sure there are any. Why do you think the EU will concede more than they have?
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Because they fear Corbyn's socialist Brexit or Jeremy Hunt's deregulation Brexit more.

May's gives them everything they want - they just have to help it across the line.

I think the whole thing (the more meaningful backstop concessions tomorrow or Thursday) has already been orchestrated with May.
 
Gutter Boy said:
There are 416 leave constituencies vs 234 remain ones. Basically because Scotland and London are massively remain, while the rest of the country is smaller leave majorities
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* good knowledge but is this there were or there are? -is this still the case now and / or how many are winnable by Labour.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Because they fear Corbyn's socialist Brexit or Jeremy Hunt's deregulation Brexit more.

May's gives them everything they want - they just have to help it across the line.

I think the whole thing (the more meaningful backstop concessions tomorrow or Thursday) has already been orchestrated with May.
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why would they fear Corbyn's socialist brexit, I think they would welcome it. There are a lot of things that Tories were unwilling to give that Corbyn wants ~(i.e. working rights / pollution etc.)
 
r-u-s-x said:
why would they fear Corbyn's socialist brexit, I think they would welcome it. There are a lot of things that Tories were unwilling to give that Corbyn wants ~(i.e. working rights / pollution etc.)
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Because the whole raison d'etre of the EU is to police the markets against government interventions. It would be like they are trying to suppress in Italy, times ten. Spending, nationalisation, state aid, industrial strategies etc. are all things the EU is fervently opposed to
 
Gutter Boy said:
Because the whole raison d'etre of the EU is to police the markets against government interventions. It would be like they are trying to suppress in Italy, times ten. Spending, nationalisation, state aid, industrial strategies etc. are all things the EU is fervently opposed to
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I don't agree with this - we have gone down the road a number of times so wont do it again.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Because they fear Corbyn's socialist Brexit or Jeremy Hunt's deregulation Brexit more.

May's gives them everything they want - they just have to help it across the line.

I think the whole thing (the more meaningful backstop concessions tomorrow or Thursday) has already been orchestrated with May.
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I doubt they'll offer much if anything at all. They've already moved on a customs union for the entire UK and the winning lottery ticket for NI. There will be nothing more than a bit of minor tinkering around the edges on offer now IMO.
 
r-u-s-x said:
why would they fear Corbyn's socialist brexit, I think they would welcome it. There are a lot of things that Tories were unwilling to give that Corbyn wants ~(i.e. working rights / pollution etc.)
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They'd probably be concerned about a decent-sized part of their export market turning into Venezuela.
 
Rorschach said:
I doubt they'll offer much if anything at all. They've already moved on a customs union for the entire UK and the winning lottery ticket for NI. There will be nothing more than a bit of minor tinkering around the edges on offer now IMO.
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I think if a PM with a decent majority offered them Remain with the concessions Cameron wanted, they would probably accept.
 
scaramanga said:
I think if a PM with a decent majority offered them Remain with the concessions Cameron wanted, they would probably accept.
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I dont. They have been absolute in the pillars being non negotiable throughout Brexit, why would they suddenly flex on Remain?

Especially given we already tried, and the result was this mess!
 
230 vote defeat for May's deal. Not sure any government would have survived that before the Fixed Term Parliament Act.
 
Biggest defeat for a government ever, according to Andrew Neil. For May's flagship policy. It really is unbelievable that she lacks the dignity to resign.
 
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