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Politics, politics, politics

By the way, today in politics, with excitement restricted to whether Mogg and Baker have their 48 letters or not, will look like an oasis of calm after the DUP pulls the supply element of their deal, and screws the budget bill on Monday. Unless that vote gets delayed, I suppose.
 
All the evidence is that the political statement on the future trade relationship can be renegotiated as much as anyone wants, but the withdrawal agreement is locked down. The alternative of revocation or extension is pretty much fine with the E27.
 
Just watched the chess. In that vein, what is the UKs Brexit escape route? What political and practical manovers need to happen to allow the UK to escape Brexit checkmate?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Just watched the chess. In that vein, what is the UKs Brexit escape route? What political and practical manovers need to happen to allow the UK to escape Brexit checkmate?
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I think the UK's options have gone from 3 to 2. It is looking like hard Brexit or cancelling the whole brick show will be the most likely outcomes. I honestly think soft brexit is a fish flapping around on the bank at this stage.

I hear Caruana gave it up tonight. I was watching the draw yesterday when I should have been doing something more productive.
 
the dza said:
I don't think they believe that they will actually be able to do that. Probably more about resigning at what they consider to be the best time.
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To be fair to them, they could become the first Brexiteers to have a serious plan.
Perfect platform to create a leadership bid.
Keep Johnson and Smogg away from it.

They are probably the best set of politicians and policy makers on the leave side. Just surprised Raab wasn't in on it. Maybe he just shot his load too early.
 
Rorschach said:
I think the UK's options have gone from 3 to 2. It is looking like hard Brexit or cancelling the whole brick show will be the most likely outcomes. I honestly think soft brexit is a fish flapping around on the bank at this stage.

I hear Caruana gave it up tonight. I was watching the draw yesterday when I should have been doing something more productive.
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It wasn't an easy win for Caruana, almost impossible with minutes left after 6 hours of play and deep thought! Worth watching the highlights. A good game. Carlsens defense was also inspired.

You're saying soft Brexit is a busted option then. I would suggest you have the right figures, but wrong options :) I don't think any individual leader could give up all the car firms, fiancial jobs, and unleash customs chaos and expect to live. Its a sucide mission, anyone who unleashed that kind of pain on the UK would get lynched. The only way it could happen would be by default.

I'm not sure how parliment liberates us, and stops holding the country in a Brexit armlock, but somehow they need to vote through a new refferendum. Maybe conclusive polls to show public sentiment is changing could be the trigger?
 
monkeybarry said:
To be fair to them, they could become the first Brexiteers to have a serious plan.
Perfect platform to create a leadership bid.
Keep Johnson and Smogg away from it.

They are probably the best set of politicians and policy makers on the leave side. Just surprised Raab wasn't in on it. Maybe he just shot his load too early.
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Raab has no credibility left after everyone saw him being cuckolded in his own job.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
All the evidence is that the political statement on the future trade relationship can be renegotiated as much as anyone wants, but the withdrawal agreement is locked down. The alternative of revocation or extension is pretty much fine with the E27.
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But it means we are forced into permanent customs union, until Irish reunification anyway. If we agree to this deal, there's no way out of the CU - no article 50 equivalent, nothing.
 
ShipOfGoldblum said:
I know, right? He's ordering records from America as if this is the early 50s and there's no other way to obtain music. When he next fancies a read and orders manuscripts to be hand-copied and sent over from European monasteries, the charges will come as a nasty shock.
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Vinyl is one of life's luxury item worth owning/collecting. Hardback books (so not far off with manuscripts) too.

And if you are into globalisation then you've got to do it properly. Don't get boxed in by the EU to only buying from white people. Do trade your own personal trade with black, brown and yellow people too. Mercari (https://www.mercari.com/jp - a much better equivalent of ebay but based in Japan) is a particular favourite of mine
 
SpurMeUp said:
It wasn't an easy win for Caruana, almost impossible with minutes left after 6 hours of play and deep thought! Worth watching the highlights. A good game. Carlsens defense was also inspired.

You're saying soft Brexit is a busted option then. I would suggest you have the right figures, but wrong options :) I don't think any individual leader could give up all the car firms, fiancial jobs, and unleash customs chaos and expect to live. Its a sucide mission, anyone who unleashed that kind of pain on the UK would get lynched. The only way it could happen would be by default.

I'm not sure how parliment liberates us, and stops holding the country in a Brexit armlock, but somehow they need to vote through a new refferendum. Maybe conclusive polls to show public sentiment is changing could be the trigger?
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You are speaking from a reasoned, practical and logical viewpoint. But that is not how this will play out IMO because those viewpoints are not part of the palate on offer. If they were, the UK would have pulled the plug on Brexit a long time ago and gone a different way. What is good for the UK is not the primary argument amazingly.

The soft Brexit option, whatever its form, is the hardest to achieve because that is the one being negotiated. There is no consensus on the optimum outcome and so there is no agreed path to reach it. How can you plot a course to an unknown destination? This option will expend the remaining time in endless pontification and ultimately come up with nothing more than disagreement.

So if not this then what? The other two positions are either cop out or drop out and require no such negotiation, as so are more likely IMO.
 
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